----Breaking in a newly built engine in ??

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22-07-10, 22:45
git

----Breaking in a newly built engine in ??

Well as most of you can see got the engine cleaned up ,few bits here and there,nearly ready to go now ........ going to go with trackday for the mapping , what i want to know and maybe tdp could shed some light for me is ........ what is the best way to do this - on the road or on the dyno and if its done on the dyno do the lads in tdp change the oil for you (obdviously im guessing theres a charge, thats no problem ) after its run in previous the mapping ?? so its on fresh oil for the mapping itself..........anyone with info on how it works could they share the knowledge , would be great !

thanks chris .........
22-07-10, 23:45
Robbie Daly Ps13

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Originally Posted by git

Well as most of you can see got the engine cleaned up ,few bits here and there,nearly ready to go now ........ going to go with trackday for the mapping , what i want to know and maybe tdp could shed some light for me is ........ what is the best way to do this - on the road or on the dyno and if its done on the dyno do the lads in tdp change the oil for you (obdviously im guessing theres a charge, thats no problem ) after its run in previous the mapping ?? so its on fresh oil for the mapping itself..........anyone with info on how it works could they share the knowledge , would be great !

thanks chris .........

Give it to robbie he'l run it in on the dyno for ya its your safest bet.....! They say if an engines built right it don't have to be ran in at all....! So they say...!
22-07-10, 23:49
gem-s13

the best way to run in an engine is drive it as you are going to go on as in drive it hard to an extent but do not drive it like a ganny this will do more damage than anything else and deffo do not leave it tick over!!
22-07-10, 23:51
insejn

set rev limiter to 3k on pfc, and live up with it for a thousand miles or so ? (Depends on the build really i guess)
23-07-10, 06:46
git

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Originally Posted by gem-s13

the best way to run in an engine is drive it as you are going to go on as in drive it hard to an extent but do not drive it like a ganny this will do more damage than anything else and deffo do not leave it tick over!!

probably best bet is to run it in on dyno then ?......... ill ask trackday today im not coming this far and as ye said goin off drivin it like a granny for a waste of god knows how many months work ?...........

anyone else had there car with tdp and got it ran in up there ?.....

thanks
23-07-10, 13:06
nick180sx

Best way to run an engine in is to keep it under a load as much as possible so i'd go with a dyno if atall possible
23-07-10, 13:09
PeterT

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Originally Posted by gem-s13

the best way to run in an engine is drive it as you are going to go on as in drive it hard to an extent but do not drive it like a ganny this will do more damage than anything else and deffo do not leave it tick over!!

Learn something new everyday!
23-07-10, 13:24
Greg

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Originally Posted by gem-s13

the best way to run in an engine is drive it as you are going to go on as in drive it hard to an extent but do not drive it like a ganny this will do more damage than anything else and deffo do not leave it tick over!!

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
23-07-10, 13:39
colm

low revs, off boost, high load running mineral oil
23-07-10, 13:55
git

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Originally Posted by colm

low revs, off boost, high load running mineral oil

high load as in 5th gear foot down low revs ???? sorry new to this running in malarky !.............

On another note im booked in tuesday to get a base map as thats what tdp wanted to do then home to build up 1000 k change oil and then back to tdp for the proper final mapping !!
23-07-10, 16:37
Dunnedriftin

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Originally Posted by git

high load as in 5th gear foot down low revs ???? sorry new to this running in malarky !.............

On another note im booked in tuesday to get a base map as thats what tdp wanted to do then home to build up 1000 k change oil and then back to tdp for the proper final mapping !!

What ecu are you going to run? PFC?
23-07-10, 18:45
mick-skyline

dont know about cars being run in, but i know with race bikes your better off driving them they way your going to and maybe a little be harded too, they usually end up just as reliable and with more power from standard, i dont know how it works but it does.

but id deffo give robbie a shout and see what way he'd do it, and what way he'd want it done.
23-07-10, 19:13
jap scrap

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Originally Posted by git

anyone else had there car with tdp and got it ran in up there ?.....

thanks

I was trying to put milage up on mine before sending it to them but to many cops around so just told robbie i could not get the milage up and he nearly killed me saying how i was not ment to put milage up because it was not fueling right not mapped
just load her on the trailer and let robbie work it from there
23-07-10, 19:14
2tonne

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Originally Posted by git

high load as in 5th gear foot down low revs ???? sorry new to this running in malarky !.............

On another note im booked in tuesday to get a base map as thats what tdp wanted to do then home to build up 1000 k change oil and then back to tdp for the proper final mapping !!

NO low load, what gem said is the same i'd do, if I read him correctly
as in dont allow the engine to struggle at all, but dont over rev either...
I definitely would not run it in hard!!!
23-07-10, 20:26
colm

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Originally Posted by git

high load as in 5th gear foot down low revs ???? sorry new to this running in malarky !.............

Yea, thats it. almost WOT at low revs, under 3k or so. short shift through the gears to keep yourself going up and down
if its a totally new set up then wait till you have a map for the car.
23-07-10, 21:12
SeanRB23

Looks like you have a dilema on your hands Chris, best bet would be to let TDP look after it as im sure they have dealt with this a million times, have my own yoke booked in with them in 2 weeks :eek:, keep us up to scratch on how ye get on would like to have a chat with ye maybe when she's done..............
24-07-10, 09:44
Rob32

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Originally Posted by colm

low revs, off boost, high load running mineral oil

Dont use mineral oil, modern cars oil seals will be damaged by it

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Originally Posted by Robbie Daly Ps13

They say if an engines built right it don't have to be ran in at all....! So they say...!

No thats wrong, everything has to bed in piston rings etc, this leads to metal fragments in the oil and if ignored will damage oil fed components and the engine itself
24-07-10, 10:57
Stevo

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Originally Posted by Rob32

No thats wrong, everything has to bed in piston rings etc, this leads to metal fragments in the oil and if ignored will damage oil fed components and the engine itself

Sum tuners say dont pussy about running the engine in, if its built right it wont shit itself :confused:
24-07-10, 11:08
Rob32

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Originally Posted by Stevo

Sum tuners say dont pussy about running the engine in, if its built right it wont shit itself :confused:

Its not about it shitting itself, dependand on whats been replaced during the bedding in process small metal fragments will get into the oil, the reason for this is because even though invisible to the naked eye big ends etc and even honed blocks will have miniscule lines on them, all these parts have to bed into each other in the same way brake pads and discs do, so as they last and operate properly, the isuue is at high rpms the rotational parts are spinning so fast you risk damaging them, although generally in the short term this isnt a problem, but why not rub the car in correctly and get that bit longer out of the engine?? Ill bet when you get new brake pads you dont try emergency braking immediatly, its much the same principal, plus you need to change the oil as this will remove those metal fragments from the engine which is necessairy as they can score big ends and eventually lead to a spun bearing for example
24-07-10, 22:13
colm

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Originally Posted by Rob32

Dont use mineral oil, modern cars oil seals will be damaged by it

never knew that. Heard the opposite, older engines and new synthetic oils not getting along.
if it does cause damage i cant seeing it doing much in the 20-30mins it would be in there before dumping it.
24-07-10, 22:34
serious tom

ah.. so basically give it power, but not in the high revs, as if its revving high it will mean the parts are moving like fuck, so just give it loads, but dont red line it? more low down powaaaa?
24-07-10, 23:01
Stonie

I work in TDP, just tell cathy on the phone you want it run in that it's a new motor, and trust me robbie will run it in properly on the dyno one oil change and your sorted. See it everyday and results don't lie. DO NOT drive the car at low revs off boost as you will shine the bores and end up with your engine burning oil.. Leave it to the dyno!!