This is the coolest ae86 build iv ever seen it's just unreal. Any time scale on when your hoping to have it done?
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This is the coolest ae86 build iv ever seen it's just unreal. Any time scale on when your hoping to have it done?
hopefully be finished in JanQuote:
Originally Posted by paddy_last
haha think i remember thatQuote:
Originally Posted by tweek
even your watanabes would be lost under these arches. These are not TRD arches either TRD are much smaller
heh heh must pop down for a look i'd be interested in these.rough idea on costQuote:
Originally Posted by D McNamara
Sweet can't wait will you be using it in prodrift next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by D McNamara
I hope to be in mondello with it. cant commit to anything else at mo
mondello ftw :)
can i ask,with 500hp in shell that light how are you planning on getting grip,i see your running 17 x10j but still wont be easy,i have seen with damien shortt the issues on getting grip with his car with toyo t1r,but shurly a shell that light cannot put down that power and gain forward moving,hopefully im wrong,and look forward to seeing this but what u recon yourself,
savage fab work btw;)
Lol you surely no who your talkn to... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie180sx
As most no no only a good driver, serious mecahnical no how!
She'l be just fine for grip ;)
hehe tec arts style!Quote:
Originally Posted by D McNamara
i do know:p,im looking forward to see this go,but good driver or not,id like to know whats he going to do for grip,ive no doubt his ability but when you have no grip,good driver or not its an issue,a 500hp ae86 that is that light is no doubt gonna have issues that way,be intresting to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by PdDan
seen a clip of one triple rotor on the wangan , orido and friends were in pusuit , the hachi turned in to a small dot at the drop of a kog...
got to sa fair play...toyota rotory development
look forward to hearing it on full tilt
Good suspension and suspension geometry is what gives you grip not the weight of your vehicleQuote:
Originally Posted by jamie180sx
obviously tyres play a part but its how the power is transmitted thru the tyres that is more important
It may seem to some people that extra weight gives more grip but its not true. extra weight causes lots more problems. Equally ive seen many a tank of a car smoking tyres and going nowhere
I set up Damien Shorts car for 2010 and im sure he would say himself that its now night and day compared to 2009. It gave him his first podium this year if im correct. His car is prob the same power and weight as my old sr86 and that didnt have grip problems either
Everyone said 3 years ago when ASD built the Saturn Sky that it was too powerfull and too light. It weighs 1000kg and has 800hp and 780ft.lbs of torque and now its regularly the fastest car on the grid
A 500hp ae86 this light will no doubt have no grip problems because of the time and know how that is being put into the suspension. You should know more than most its too much torque not hp that can cause problems and make a car seem loose or have no grip
One thing that i see all the time is people modifying there front hubs to get more steering angle and not realising that its giving them less forward bite
There is no disadvantage to removing weight as long as you realise you suspension needs to act differently with the lighter car
[QUOTE=D McNamara;194307]Good suspension and suspension geometry is what gives you grip not the weight of your vehicle
True
It may seem to some people that extra weight gives more grip but its not true. extra weight causes lots more problems. Equally ive seen many a tank of a car smoking tyres and going nowhere
True
One thing that i see all the time is people modifying there front hubs to get more steering angle and not realising that its giving them less forward bite
And true
People tend not to think about grip but in this day and age ya can go nowhere without it....! Literally....! I think corner weighting is at the stage where its essantial to be competive also....!
Love where this car is going....! It will be epic to say the least.........!
without a doubt shortts car was a different car,when ya set it up and have no doubt you will do something special with that ae86,i never thought of the sky with 800hp and when you see the way when you put the foot down it jumps forward with grip i suppose the 86 will be no prob to ya,Quote:
Originally Posted by D McNamara
cant wait to see this thing move,
Could you explain how the modified hubs reduce your forward bite pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by D McNamara
Im 99% sure what hes talking about is lads putting serious lock into cars without doing anythig for grip at the back.....!
The more angle ya have the less you'l be moving forward so you have to think about getting grip into the rear of the car to push yourself on....! Thats my thinking of it neway....!
Grip is a massive massive factor in drifting nowadays and you'd be very very surprised at how many lads still don't realise this....!
i cant agree with the grip issue more,, i have serous grip issues off the line and mid drift all year due to a lack of rear setup,, will be dialing in grip over the next few mounths thanks to wez and the lads at wkd
This is one serious build! Great fab work. Can't wait to see the finished article.
I'd say it will be a weapon.
Ya Robbie thats a lot of it but people changing theyre ackerman angle is also causing them problems with forward biteQuote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Daly Ps13
this intrest me also,as ive been considering extra lock hubs,at the min i think ive enough lock and anymore would only slow your forward motion,i dont really understand ackerman but ive been told removing this means that both wheels turn on lock exactly the same and this reduces the issue with forward motion on lock,now i dont know but would love to hear your side darren,but really other from to save you when u loose it,is there really any need for the amount of lock people are after,sorry for spamQuote:
Originally Posted by D McNamara
What is Ackerman???
It is an interesting topic and there has been endless threads about it, most of them are full of people claiming they know what their talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by jamie180sx
It seems that a lot of people have got caught up in the backwards entry bandwagon and are modifying hubs with no real idea of what their doing
Removing the ackerman means both wheels turn the same amount, most people dont remove it but reduce it, but dont really no by how much they are reducing it
There will be new hubs available for the front and rear of the silvias soon out of america and they will be the dogs bollocks. made from billet aluminium. Nobody should buy any hubs until these come out!!
Ackerman angle is a suspension geometry that causes toe out on turnsQuote:
Originally Posted by pole drift
basically your inside wheel turning mode than your outside
What do you think of the driftworks hubs darren....!
Im pretty sure they are a copy of the sptec ones from japan that phil originally bought for his s15Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Daly Ps13
Im on the fence about them. Im not sure if extra r&d was put into them or if they are just straight copies of the sptec items i havent been about to take a good look at them fitted to a car
I know one thing tho, if i had a choice between billet aluminium and welded steel id go for aluminium. Also, the people who are designing these hubs are race engineers who worked in F3 and NASCAR. They bought a s13 and are mapping out all the suspension points and geometry on a computer programme. Then the hubs with be machined from a block af aluminium on their cnc mill. The computer operator is the only labour on them so prices are looking very promising
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Just a quick update for all you Speedhunters ! We are in a bit of a transition period here, most parts have been mocked up and are away being machined (or moulded in the case of the FRP) so let's give you a small run through what we've done before we do a much larger update in a week or two ...
As you can see from the above picture, that is a very odd place to have the steering rack in an AE86 but that's where it now calls home, right in front of the 13B motor.
Also we have cut the bulkhead or firewall on the drivers side (RHD) and that is mocked up nicely but without having our transmission back from being machined we cannot install the motor and finish the passenger side so that is cut roughly for now.
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I really love this aerial shot from upstairs at MCNSPORT, you can really see how short this thing is from wheel to wheel. Oh and also our custom roof has arrived !
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Here is how we attach the 13B to the hachiroku. With the motor mounted back and our front steer system it should give us the best possible weight distribution. Also notice how one tube is straight and one is at an angle. All will become clear once we update you guys ...
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Speaking of weight distribution, here is the intake that feeds our rear mounted radiator.
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Here is the front of our roof. These intakes will also supply air to the radiator and some much needed air to myself while driving / holding on. This thing reminds me so much of an old Group B rally car, I love it!
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Okay, here is the mock up of our front suspension system including the new steering bracket. Yes, the steering is now worked off the front coilover.
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Like so. The slotted hole be changed once we map out everything at ride height.
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Here are the coolant pipes protruding through the bulkhead ...
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And here they are running through the cockpit on the passenger side. Passenger might get a little warm in this car ...
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A big, big thank you must go out to Carbonetic who supplied us with a Carbon Twin Plate Clutch. These are just a beautiful piece of kit.
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Sytec have this sweet bracket for the Bosch 044 pump. All Sytec products are available at MCNSPORT
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And finally another shot from above as the fabrication process gets closer to being complete.
There is a lot of crazy things being done to this car and that's what we wanted, to build something away from the norm like those glory days of Group B rallying. It looks like Europe is the only place we could build such a project now with the new tire to weight rules being imposed by Formula D
Keep logging onto Speedhunters.com to see our next update. The next one should be a big one!!
This build thread is nothing short of epic....! I don't think people realise the attention to detail thats going into it.....!
Bleeding that rad will be great fun :)
Savage Build, would be some car for a decent driver to win and go competing in next year
I lol'd at that....! He ain't raffeling this 1 lad.....!Quote:
Originally Posted by Larryk
cool job lad cant wait to see it finished what sort of power you going for ?? was back at WCP yesterday they had an RX7 with a big turbo kit not sure on the size but its bigger dan a TD06 running an apexi power fc at 0.9bar and made 350whp some screem off it :eek:
The turbo has been mocked up in place
Big thanks to Owen Developments for the Competition spec GT35R
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should be around 500bhpQuote:
Originally Posted by stack-180sx
350whp would be a nice street car but we need a little more on this project
Nice job......! Whats the differance between compatition and a normal gt35....! What manifold ya running...! About what rpm are you expecting boost....!
Billet compressor wheel, uprated bearings and a couple of other thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Daly Ps13
We have made a mock up manifold to get the demensions we need and it will then be sent to Martelius in Finland to make a proper one
Hopefully should have full boost at 3500 but we'll see
is this the car to be raffled?? :rolleyes::rolleyes: :D:D
u wish hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by 1jsoarer
This is a copy and paste from speedhunters
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Welcome to the third update of the Need for Speed D-Mac 86. I have to say looking at these pictures I'm starting to get excited about this car, its shaping up to be something really special. It hard to get your head around the placement of the Owen Developments GT3582HTA turbo in this pic so lets take a look at the next.....
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Now it makes sense.......well kind of. The turbo is mounted differently to the norm. We have turned it 90degrees and the exhaust now runs down the side it should on a ae86. The reason we had to do this is because of how far back the engine is mounted and being RHD everything is on the right side namely the pedals and steering column and the 60mm screamer pipe. No room left for the exhaust on that side. The Turbo we are using is pretty special, its a Owen Developments Motorsport GT3582HTA turbo with motorsport bearing and billet internal stainless heatshield and ported shroud compressor cover!!
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Here we see just how far back we have pushed the engine. Also you can see the Tial 60mm External wastegate also Supplied by Owen Developments. Big thanks to the guys a Owen for their help
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This looks awesome if i do say so myself apart from the mess. We just don't have time to tidy up the workshop at the moment. I'm happy with the progress we are making, a lot of the major hurdles are now behind us
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Here you can see how we mounted the steering rack. The rack was made removable so you can take the engine out, as the engine mounts are solid to the chassis. The bolts in out tube joiners are only temporary. The tube with the 2 holes is the beginning of our oil cooler mount. Also you can see the rack spacers that we machine to give us extra travel and the block spacers that offset our inner tie rods and the half tube welded into the towers to give clearance. All this is visible in the second pic down also
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Our new steering knuckles are now in their final position and eagle eyed viewers will notice the brake caliper has been moved to the rear of the disk to allow our knuckles to be mounted. I was going to machine new caliper brackets to do this but then i got the brainwave to just swap the drivers side and passenger side struts.....job done
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This is the new path for our 90mm exhaust. The exhaust is now completely finished except for the tailpipe which will be made once all our aero is fitted. Big thanks to Martelius Exhausts in Finland for supplying all the parts we needed
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Here you can see that the original pedal assembly remains untouched and our new bulkhead is now finished. You can also just see the corner of the swagged aluminium passengers footrest
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This carefully placed window is now where you replace the oil filter along with other things like TPS adjustment
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Passenger footrest removed, you can see the completed bulkhead, transmission tunnel and exhaust tunnel. The transmission tunnel has been slightly widened because of how far back the gearbox now is. The Supra R154 transmission is in place complete with custom RX7 bellhousing adapter which allows the RX7 bellhousing to be bolted on complete and retain the RX7 Slave cylinder and clutch fork along with Flywheel, Pressure plate and Starter motor. The great design of the Carbonetic Twin plate clutch allows us to just replace the clutch centre hub to suit a R154 Supra Input shaft. The Supra gearbox is not very long so the new gearlever position suits our slightly further back driving position
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This is our new gearlever position, seat position and our mock up ASD Hydraulic e-brake. Aren't these the sexiest e-brakes ever!! We will be using a slightly longer handle on the finished ca which is being machined in ASD North Carolina as we speak
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One of my favourite parts is the rear mounted radiator which is now finished and mounted, along with the in car piping. Also the Alu sheet you can see is the mock up for the cover of the fuel cell
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This is a sexy piece!
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So nice to see all these ideas that have been in my head coming together
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Speaking of coming together.......the rear FRP shell is now mountable and so is the tailgate. The tailgate will be held in place by two tubes extending up from the chassis and mounted to our GT wing mounts. So all down force created will be transmitted to the chassis and to the tires rather than just flexing the tailgate. The GT Wing mounts should be finished in the next update
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OK so that's it for now. Who knows how much we will have done next time Paddy calls but I'm hoping to get the chassis painted as soon as i can so we can begin the final assembly. Can't wait to get this thing out on track
All comments welcome, i hope you guys like my brainchild
Stay tuned to speedhunters..........
Here is the direct link to speedhunters
http://speedhunters.com/archive/2010...86-pt-iii.aspx
please leave your comments guys
D-Mac
This is bordering on unbelievable! serious work,
WOW!!! That is some serious build