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Ask John....Quote:
Originally Posted by barry180
im sure if you wear a fireproof balaclava with open face helmet it should be good enough
I'm going to ring tomorrow morning and find out are FIA approved open face helmets acceptable when wearing with a fireproof balaclava
As long as its done properly I don't see a problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by barry180
Dash dodgers are banned for very good reason, if you turn over the cage will fail at the dash bends
thats sound cheers john just one more question dont want ta be wreckin ur head i put in one single door bar if i put another one underneath that do i need to brace it to the top bar? cheers johnQuote:
Originally Posted by JStone
Was watchn top gear this morning when they were in south america they had dash dodgers in the 4 wheel drive jeeps with a small bar welded into cage at the bend any body else notice this? Can we sort out this problem soon as I know a lot of guys are under pressure ,RQuote:
Originally Posted by JStone
If there bent (ie NASCAR style) they must be braced, if the door bars are straight then it's not as importantQuote:
Originally Posted by barry180
deadly sorted so thanks for your time john
Dash dodger cages are defenetly not allowed!Quote:
Originally Posted by hillclimber 70s
Few easy fixes as stated above already
Thats very vague ,what is the fix for dash dodgers so? Out or in.
If you already have a good bolt in cage with the front legs bent around the dash you can get two new ones made that run down the A-pillars and true the dash properly instead, cheap and easy fix to the problem!Quote:
Originally Posted by hillclimber 70s
Thanks for that ,but do you have statistics to back up that dash dodgers fail under crash conditions?.If so where are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by JStone
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Originally Posted by hillclimber 70s
If you have any problems regarding the saftey regulations for prodrift you should email info@prodriftseries.com
Thanks,
Sorry dont mean to be awkward but I dont understand why dash dodgers can fail,believe me I need to know asap.Quote:
Originally Posted by JStone
John do you need 2 parallel or "x" door bars if there is side impact bars in the stock doors ?
They fail because in the event of the car turning over the vertical load on the a-pillar bar causes it to buckle were the bar is bent into an S shape around the dash, this usualy results in the roof being pressed down on top of the drivers head. Most Motorsport now requires an a-pillar support bar even when using a proper true dash bar,Quote:
Originally Posted by hillclimber 70s
here's a link to the MSA regs on the issue
http://www.racingexposure.com/blog/2...ion-amendment/
Yes you will need two bars even with stock doorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooldrft
ignition steering lock just applies to the lock yes? so i can still use the ignition and key start aslong as the lock is disabled?
Correct :)Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisb
Don't bother, the fuckers dont respond to emails.Quote:
Originally Posted by JStone
Can you enlighten us on the fia approved open face helmets please John??
Not at the moment but I'll find out tomorrow and post it up here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ste
cheers john appreciate it
@jstone in the regs it says that a wrap around dash dodger is not aloud does that mean that a dash dodger that does not wrap around the dash will pass?Cages like this made by safety devices for ae86s and mk11 escorts pass scrutiny for rallying these type cages are legal for BDC,Edc and also time attack in the uk i am not having a go at you but i really fail to see how these cages are no good for prodrift
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m.../dashdodge.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m...edashdodge.jpg
I really can't see them buckling under a roof impact
Above pics are from a s13
I don't see any problem with that cage to be honest, the term "dash dodger" is normally associated with the type of cage that has 4 or 5 bends in the a-pillar bar which makes an S shape around the dash,Quote:
Originally Posted by tweek
the type of cage you used as an example has only 2 bends in the front leg and would be fine as long as it has door bars.
Nice one thanks for the reply now if we were only aloud to keep our roof lining i would be delighted getting in to car early in the morning with condensation dripping off the roof is a pain in the assQuote:
Originally Posted by JStone
helmet thing sounds quiet stupid as there fia approved & used in rallyin!! now fookd if i remember if iv got a x on the door bars of the skyline? Was only at it 2 days ago and i forget..
is x needed at doors? is the 1 bar not allowed this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunnedriftin
Just to add to that a lot of dash dodger type cages do not have the required thickness of main hoop ie: 45mm x 2.5mm or 50mm x 2mmQuote:
Originally Posted by JStone
Most d/d main hoops I've seen are around 38mm!
what are ye expectin an army tank to go in ur door this whole cage thing is a complete load of bollox. double door bars sure u dont need them in a rally car that goes thru a wood at 100 mph never mind a drift car that goes around a car park. its all just a money racket . and as for dash dodgers id rather that than a weld in cage that some sledger welded in in his shed . there is a reason why all these companys who make these cages have to pay huge insurances on thier products.and as for the mike fitz accident if anyone noticed the cage wasnt the problem the seat clearly shifted long before the cage moved. tbh common sense is not cumin into this at all ,all the talk is bout cages what about fire and all is specified is a 1l handheld fire extinguisher or whatever which tbh wouldn put out a cigarette if they are so concerned about safety they should be making plumbed in extinguishers mandatory as would prob be a better safety initiative than all this bullshit on cages either that or run fia rules which is expensive but would eliminate any indiscretions on rules
jus my 2 cents
Army tank, maybe not but the next time your watching formula d have a look at what the back of an 86 does to matt powers door in the opening credits!!Quote:
Originally Posted by grimix180
Closer to home see the japspeed skylines crashing into each other in silverstone
I take your points on fire extinguishers and home brew cages though. A 1kg wouldn't cool my arse after a hot curry
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Originally Posted by tweek
Lad you couldn't leave it it in would be a complete fire hazzard and we'v all seen a few fires over the years...!
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU CLOWN...! The reason Mike Fitz's floor came in on him because the death dodger as so far back...! If the cages was a proper weld in the cage would have been far more forward and protected him...!Quote:
Originally Posted by grimix180
Iv never seen such a pack of crying fuckers in all my life...! The rules are the rules lads and in any motorsport the 1st priorty is to protect the driver...! Why wait around till someone gets seriously injured or dies and the decide to chage the rules...! At the end of the day there looking out for you the driver...!
You don't have to do prodrift and if you don't like the rules then don't do it...! Even doh there a bit late good job on prodrifts behalf for steeping up the game...! Heres to a great seasons drifting now shut up and get on with it...!
Daaannnngggg bobby no balls be gettin all angry up in here!!!!
But I agree with ya safety is number 1
My cage looks like this, Same as the image on the prodrift regs:
http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/a...1260816910.jpg
It's OMP through dash
Do I have to add another door bar???
Id have to agree with that Daly chap here, safety is PD's number one issue here, be it that they actually give a shit or maybe its for insurance purposes but they have set the rules, now lets adhere to them. Is a persons life not worth an extra few pound?
Anyway, quick question. I plan on doing dual horizontal bars with 3 brace bars between, nascar style i think. How high does the top bar need to be to suit regs? Cheers
@robbie daly by the time the roof lining caught fire you would be fairly crispy I think the implementation of having to have a fuse no more than a foot on the positive feed from a relocated battery would be more important.....back to the cages
http://www.driftireland.com/forum/sh...bent+around+it
One of two things happened the cage saved him a bit or it wasnt bolted to the floor properly and pulled the nuts through
the cage in my one 180sx is a dash dogger,i have added extra bars to mine by putting in door bars and welding a bar to where it goes around the dash back to the door bar, which joins back to the A bar and extra bars to support it,and i added plates to the floor top and bottom with big bolts ect,and properly fastened...i do believe this cage is very strong and will take a bang as good as most cages as its well made and extra bracing supports everywhere it might give....but will change the dashdogger as its a pain to get in and out off,,well thats my excuse :grin:
But im happy to see that PD are allowing Bolt in cages which means i can modify my own which will not be as exspensive as purchasing a full weld in cage,so atleast they met us half way on the situation,and not put us to huge exspensive,,,
on the whole Weld in Vs Bolt in cage arguement,,i do agree that the ultimate job is to purchase a full weld in cage properly designed with out question,but in saying that there is some very well made bolt in cages available,,,i do think that plumbed in fire extinguishers is something that should be in the rules at this stage as imo is one of the most important things that is overlooked even more so over the cages,
the rules have been set by pd and at this stage and are final,they have met us in some way with the cages so tis time to get to work,,we were exspecting alot worse a few months back,as for the open face helmot that rule as been in with years but maybe not been enforced as strictly as some have gotton away with it,,,maybe it you wear a fia approved ballyclava job it might be ok,ask graham as he is a sound guy and very approchable with regards to all this,
so no point in giving out bout it and time to get to it,,we complained long enough for rules and now we have them so lets get busy :cool:
An open helmet is a joke may as well wear no helmet whoever came up with it didn't have a brain, yea better visibility but if there was a 100mph impact there be a serious messed up face to go with it. BAN THEM fire proof mask won't do jack shit either
Just wondering John. If a 1 layer fireproof suit is all thats required, and a fireproof vest. Then would a 3 layer suit be ok just on its own? Surely offers more overall protection? Not a big deal I know..
Ive been rallying for years and always wore a peltor open face ,found them more comfortable and never had a problem at scrutiny do you know I think this helmet thing is down to image,RQuote:
Originally Posted by B&G Extreme Drifting