Suspension set up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gar-4-age 86]

In this your after saying exactly all any driver wants........ "it feels perfect for the way i drive and it gos where i want to put it" Sure what more do ya want......... What im saying if a car isn't doing what you want it to do then its a waste of time ya might as well stay at home cause ya only annoy yourself........ The essintials ya need: Good set of coilovers with ride height camber ajustment and dampining:ajustable castor arms tie rods and camber arms and toe arms...... And a hicas lock out or eliminator........ In my eyes every car should have these and yes it is possiable to drift without them but its an awful lot easier with them................

All of that only applies with experience obviously a car will be easier to drift but thats bull when your startin off your wastin your time and money without seat time..... Is say if there was one thing 100% necessary its some form of a lock diff whether it be welded or 2way it wudn have mattered how well the 86 was set up i still would have been utterly s*it my first day out and ive still improved a lot since without gettin some genius of a set up.....

[Midnight]

keep on topic boys,i think if we all wana compete we will need this info at some point or another

Keep the setups coming lads its great to hear the discriptions on it.

[PeterT]

The essintials ya need: Good set of coilovers with ride height camber ajustment and dampining:ajustable castor arms tie rods and camber arms and toe arms...... And a hicas lock out or eliminator........ In my eyes every car should have these and yes it is possiable to drift without them but its an awful lot easier with them................

disagree. unless your doing FAST shit, like, top of 3rd or even 4th in the dry and twinning with people, all you need is a diff and coilovers. i havnt even got a lock out bar on the cefiro, and ive no adjustable arms. im not pro or anything , but i do a bit of sliding here and there!

[Jay Rockett]

disagree. unless your doing FAST shit, like, top of 3rd or even 4th in the dry and twinning with people, all you need is a diff and coilovers. i havnt even got a lock out bar on the cefiro, and ive no adjustable arms. im not pro or anything , but i do a bit of sliding here and there!

Yeah but he's just asking from a competitive point of view, big difference between streeto setup and whats necessary if you wana be competitive on the track!

Defo agree that seat time is key, then spend money on buying a more adjustable setup.. But if ya have some adjustable arms or whatever's been fitted from factory, it does make a difference if you spend some time(doesnt cost anything!) trying to make the car that bit better to control! or at least drive straight!

[PeterT]

Yeah but he's just asking from a competitive point of view, big difference between streeto setup and whats necessary if you wana be competitive on the track!

Defo agree that seat time is key, then spend money on buying a more adjustable setup.. But if ya have some adjustable arms or whatever's been fitted from factory, it does make a difference if you spend some time(doesnt cost anything!) trying to make the car that bit better to control! or at least drive straight!

it does cost more,you have to but the arms

Seat time is the winner alrite. The AMOUNT of lads competing competitevely on DW with near standard set ups bar coilovers and extra lock id crazy compared to over here! even that lad with the auto s14! he was rediculous!


Also, when getting suspension set up for drifting, say by TDP or whoever, do they take power of car into the equation? as in, if its standard powerish would they not bother making the rear wheels sit perfectly flat on the ground for more grip?

[Micko]

As stated when your starting off you dont really think of suspension set up but no matter what way you look at it the basics are essential e.g coilovers and tracking. Your only goin to annoy the shit outta yourself if the car isnt doin what you want it to do.

As you progress and you start pushing harder and harder and thye only way to do this is to have your car handling the way you want it!

If i had a choice between going for more power or getting all adjustable arms and getting it set up by someone that knows what there at, id choose suspension mods before power all day long. You'd knock more enjoyment from a 250 brake car set up correct than you would from a 400 brake car not set up atall!!! Getting my own car properly set up was some of the best money i ever spent. this is just my own experience!

[Robbie Daly Ps13]

disagree. unless your doing FAST shit, like, top of 3rd or even 4th in the dry and twinning with people, all you need is a diff and coilovers. i havnt even got a lock out bar on the cefiro, and ive no adjustable arms. im not pro or anything , but i do a bit of sliding here and there!

You really are narrow minded about this aren't you........ And its not only fast shit your totally wrong....... Im not saying your car won't slide without it cause it will....... Two weeks before the B.butler memorial in goldstone myself and the lads went down to practice....... I was brutal to say the least i couldn't get round the corner without spinning or understeering........ That monday i got tein tie rods and caster arms and banged them in and the following saturday got J.Stone to set it up for me......... He told me my camber was way out and he ajusted everthing........ I went out on track and it was like a different car.... By the end of the day I was going well....... The following week was the comp and after a SoLiD days drifting i came 2nd only to loose in the final against micko....... And two weeks before i couldn't get round the track........ It wasn't me it was the fact the car handled so well.....

It just proves its all about the handling....... As micko said best money i ever spent........ Handling over power any day......

50%CAR 50%DRIVER

[PeterT]

[QUOTE=Robbie Daly Ps13;63158]You really are narrow minded about this aren't you........ And its not only fast shit your totally wrong....... Im not saying your car won't slide without it cause it will....... /QUOTE]


from MY experience, in numerous cars, no matter how shit they are, youl get them to slide little corners like goldstone. PERSONALY cant see how you turned from not being able to slide the corners to 2nd placer after having a few arms thrown in but thats just me sure.



anyways

[Flat Eric]

If people stayed in a basic car until they had it mastered and had actually got talent beyond what the car was capable then they would be a far better driver for it.Learning how to control a piece of crap car is way more fun and a better lesson than changing loads of shit so its easier to drift.

Anyone remember James Deane in that sierra ???

Obviously a lot of people just want their car to have the best bits they can afford and thats cool but if you've just bought adjustable everything and have to ask some one what way to set it then your probably not at such a level that you actually need it.

It does make a difference, at every level but the best way to figure it out is trial and error.Learning what changes effect the car mean you can best set it up for your style, just copying someone else settings is pointless imho

I think your best to start at a neutral set up, damper settings mid way, all the wheels pointing straight, 3 - 5 degrees camber up front and 1 - 2 rear maybe.A sensible ride height and average tyre pressures, depending on the car.

It's good to hear about a pro driver's set up like Polo's but you could hop into his car and think it drives shit, even though it works for him.