No I mean my Touareg is a 5.0 v10 with air suspension put it in sport and it drops right down and it's like a slingshot out the corners an I pushed a standard evo 7 up the road chap I bought it off has had all the big sporty 4x4s reckons it eating any other 4x4 of the road apart from the 6.0 v12 q7