Pd round 1 afterthoughts

wasn there the wknd but have seen bad decisions at every event i go to and not jst in prodrift shit happens like the judges are only human and dont always get everything right as for favouriteism every drift series has it and there fuck all we can do or change to say that i personally think that drifting has got too big too quick and got way too expensive it would be cheaper now to go rallying than drift and think the wall riding thing is a joke in these times when times r so tough and money is tight most lads would be out for the year if they smacked there cars what was wrong with clipping points system like its motorsport there always a risk but telling lads to aim for a solid concrete wall is madness what wold be wrong with replacing the concrete with plastic more car friendly barriers
rant over

Some good points... ^^^^ But learn how to use full stops lad will ya :p :D

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Originally Posted by grimix180

there always a risk but telling lads to aim for a solid concrete wall is madness what wold be wrong with replacing the concrete with plastic more car friendly barriers
rant over

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Obviously for insurance and safety to the public is the logic reason behind this, not much other options that i know of apart from the metal barrier either, both are not justifyable to a bang though

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Originally Posted by nixon001

None of them want to do it! its a horrible job!

eric already said in this thread how much of a hard job it is and that he wudnt do it...

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I wouldnt say its too easy of a job alright... but end of the day somebodys gotta do it...

Frenchie would be somebody for PD to keep in mind!

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Originally Posted by EvojeepGal

Obviously for insurance and safety to the public is the logic reason behind this, not much other options that i know of apart from the metal barrier either, both are not justifyable to a bang though

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yeah but put a plastic 1 a few feet in front of the concrete wouldn break up cars half as much . and it would take the fear of wreckin ur car outta goin for the wall

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Originally Posted by grimix180

yeah but put a plastic 1 a few feet in front of the concrete

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Theres still downfalls to that though, your still goin to hit the wall, its not going to slow u down and u be draggin a plastic bollard with u!
Although if lads are aiming a few feet back from the wall for plastic ones, they're angles, speeds etc will be different and could help save cars going the extra feet giving time to correct.
Possibly an idea for amatuers in particular to help encourage and get the feel for their cars befone writing them off while learning...

But without a doubt spectators will be moaning that the cars are too far away from proper viewing :cool:

true true.. just keep it on topic lads! please no more bitchin about people...

these are all fair points about the judging, everyones free to express their opinions, we just wont tolerate outright abusing members...

Em, have they still got the cringe worthy stupid PD theme tune shite just out of interest? proper proper annoying 'put it in a ditch ditch ditch' or something along those lines :D

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Originally Posted by EvojeepGal

Theres still downfalls to that though, your still goin to hit the wall, its not going to slow u down and u be draggin a plastic bollard with u!
Although if lads are aiming a few feet back from the wall for plastic ones, they're angles, speeds etc will be different and could help save cars going the extra feet giving time to correct.
Possibly an idea for amatuers in particular to help encourage and get the feel for their cars befone writing them off while learning...

But without a doubt spectators will be moaning that the cars are too far away from proper viewing :cool:

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it would still reduce the chances of hitting the concrete and would be mad seein plastic bollards flyin lol. there be no spectators anyways if the cars are all wrecked as most lads are an a shoestring budget

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Originally Posted by grimix180

there be no spectators anyways if the cars are all wrecked as most lads are an a shoestring budget

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Unfortunately for whichever car is out for the year if it's not fixable for wot ever reason, there'll always be more cars in the que behind to take his spot.

That wouldnt have anything to do with effecting spectators! They love karnage sure lol :rolleyes:

Barriers just test to see who actually has balls and consitancy, bbut not in a nice way:confused:

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Originally Posted by EvojeepGal

Unfortunately for whichever car is out for the year if it's not fixable for wot ever reason, there'll always be more cars in the que behind to take his spot.

That wouldnt have anything to do with effecting spectators! They love karnage sure lol :rolleyes:

Barriers just test to see who actually has balls and consitancy, bbut not in a nice way:confused:

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i understand that but i jst dont think were in the right economic times to be askin lads to total there cars if it was just smashin a bumper or body kit it grand but have to reshell there car is rough.

I understand that as i made the point myself earlier about the same thing.

But the way things are, its not going to be changed and its upon each person individually to question their own talents and choices to take the risk as soon as they set from the start line.... Unfortunately i reckon thats how things will stay.

I know when i first drove between walls in Ennis i was reluctant to drive on, but as experience came i learned to get on with it and ignore them, aim for the clips and hope the lines i chose put me right, not much else to do unless u want to watch from the crowd!

But as for opinions, i do wish there was an alternative for safety apart from causeing serious damage to cars, but again in saying that im sure everyone would be of the same opinion, to rather a car get wrote off than the general public getting seriously injured or killed thus causeing Drifting in Ireland to be a memory

They did relax the clipping points on the wall for this event and the likes of Punchestown last year. Once you were within 5 feet of the wall you got the clipping point. Most of the drivers still push to rub the wall.

Like last year at Fermoy the clipping area below the judges stand was a large white line painted on the ground nearly two meters from the bales. In practice and qualifying for pro seeded and un-seeded everyone went past this line just to rub the bales.

I m not sure what they could use instead of concrete as the wall, a second plastic section where the clipping point might work, but with most of the damage done at the weekend the car would still have hit the concrete.

I much prefered the bales last year but with feed for cattle in such demad this year, it probably couldn't be got:rolleyes:

plastic barriers such as road works barriers empty or half full of water in front of the walls would be grand and add some visual excitment when they go flying when touched but would really slow things down when they hav to be realigned after each run.

Rubbing the walls looks great but i'm not looking forward to having to do it myself when the time comes but I suppose it's like everything, once you get out there it's alot easier and you just get on with it:)

how much is it to compete in events now?what is the prize money?and how much to register?i remember the good old days of 50euro to compete

Great weekend all round!

all the talk of a diffrant wall is stupid imo im out this year to compete in the full seson and if i as worried about hitting the car id leave it at home!! if they were plastic or more hit freindly walls every one would be hitting them for that extra crowd exitment factor and the marshals would be all day putting them back in place the saturday is jam packed as it is with out waiting 5mins between each run for the wall to be put back!!!! leave the concreat as it is if you are afraid to hit it leave your car parked at home

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Originally Posted by gem-s13

all the talk of a diffrant wall is stupid imo im out this year to compete in the full seson and if i as worried about hitting the car id leave it at home!! if they were plastic or more hit freindly walls every one would be hitting them for that extra crowd exitment factor and the marshals would be all day putting them back in place the saturday is jam packed as it is with out waiting 5mins between each run for the wall to be put back!!!! leave the concreat as it is if you are afraid to hit it leave your car parked at home

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Best point made in this whole thread... Well said!

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Originally Posted by gem-s13

all the talk of a diffrant wall is stupid imo im out this year to compete in the full seson and if i as worried about hitting the car id leave it at home!! if they were plastic or more hit freindly walls every one would be hitting them for that extra crowd exitment factor and the marshals would be all day putting them back in place the saturday is jam packed as it is with out waiting 5mins between each run for the wall to be put back!!!! leave the concreat as it is if you are afraid to hit it leave your car parked at home

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On the ball, nobody is forcing anyone to hit the wall, bit of nice rubbage is always kool!! but u have a car length of a scoring zone! So up to yourself!!

PD get up the standings will ya!! Cheers :D

all i can say after this is and its simple
1: pay up and shut up and do PD
2: dont do it!

end of conversation!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for the comments guys and girls!

All constructive criticism is welcome and appreciated!

PD

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Originally Posted by gem-s13

all the talk of a diffrant wall is stupid imo im out this year to compete in the full seson and if i as worried about hitting the car id leave it at home!! if they were plastic or more hit freindly walls every one would be hitting them for that extra crowd exitment factor and the marshals would be all day putting them back in place the saturday is jam packed as it is with out waiting 5mins between each run for the wall to be put back!!!! leave the concreat as it is if you are afraid to hit it leave your car parked at home

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totally agree!!! the wall was the pure excitement of rosegreen from both a spectator and driver point of view!!and as gem said if your scared of damaging ur car leave it at home!! at the end of the day the wall is a pure safety issue!!! its der to keep spectators safe!!!

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Originally Posted by gem-s13

all the talk of a diffrant wall is stupid imo im out this year to compete in the full seson and if i as worried about hitting the car id leave it at home!! if they were plastic or more hit freindly walls every one would be hitting them for that extra crowd exitment factor and the marshals would be all day putting them back in place the saturday is jam packed as it is with out waiting 5mins between each run for the wall to be put back!!!! leave the concreat as it is if you are afraid to hit it leave your car parked at home

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This man is on the ball

This is supposed to be precision driving, grow some balls and scrape the wall

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Originally Posted by D McNamara

This man is on the ball

This is supposed to be precision driving, grow some balls and scrape the wall

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Perfectly said!!

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Originally Posted by tweek

how much is it to compete in events now?what is the prize money?and how much to register?i remember the good old days of 50euro to compete

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it e150 for logging day and E100 an event after that i think,a bit much but hey thats life

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Originally Posted by James Deane RX7

RX7 is really hard to drive but i like the challenge!

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Originally Posted by Mick K

James Deane,God,Truth be known Papa Deane and Mammy Deane must have conceived him in an Rx7,Jesus the car was made for him,He just puts it where he wants,Whoever said an RX7 was gonna be hard to drift obviously never ran it by him,Huge congrats on what was some show!Gonna take a good'un to beat you lad!

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Would it be fair to say though that by fitting the sr20 you've removed alot of the reasons ppl say rx7s are hard to drift? Lack of engine braking with the rotary engine, small and lightweight engine size means that it is effectively a mid-ship layout. SR20 should remove those two main problems I imagine, and the only other negative about them as far as I'm aware anyway is that you are kind of sitting on the rear axle nearly, although that would be more just a case of getting used to it I'd presume? Although switching between as many cars as you do I imagine that makes it much more difficult. Anyway congrats on the win!!

As for the judgegate topic. Wasnt there so cant really comment. But Irish drifting is all too close nit so it would be nearly impossible to get a totally neutral or non connected person to judge, who would yet still be up to and qualified for the job. Its true that in no other sport would you have somebodys friend, relation or even business colleague etc. judging them in a professional competition, but no matter who you get that will most likely be the case, unless they bring in ppl which I'd be pretty sure they wont.

Nobody will ever be fully happy with judging decisions. Just the nature of the game, and I plan to be at punchestown so I'll get to see for myself I suppose.

lads i been reading through the replys on this thread so i though id stick my 2cents in as well.

no matter what drift event that is/was ever on there is always people complaning,be it prodrift,d-rift or even the di days.you can be assured that the day after the event there will be people whinging about judging,parking,prices,the burgers you name it.

the fact is that the majority of drivers and spectators really enjoy the prodrift events and i for one am dam happy that there is a drift event here to compete in.
the price for entering is peanuts in comparison to rallying or circuit events so that is not an argument at all really.€100 for a competing on brilliant tracks,well organised and well suppored by drivers and sponsors is a steal.

regarding the concrete walls if your afraid of them dont go near them!!its drifting not a pillow fight with cars.most drivers will tell you that once you set off from the start line you dont even think about walls,all you are worried about is your line and clipping points and trying not to spin!

as for judging is a thankless job as no matter what decision you make its going to upset somebody.In different peoples eyes different things will impress them more but may not necessiarly what the judges outline what they want to see as it varies from event to event so cut them a bit of slack.

thanks all i have to say except roll on round two and before anyone has a go i have no links to prodrift or any other series.im just a clubman drifter so to speak:D

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Originally Posted by lsd32

lads i been reading through the replys on this thread so i though id stick my 2cents in as well.

no matter what drift event that is/was ever on there is always people complaning,be it prodrift,d-rift or even the di days.you can be assured that the day after the event there will be people whinging about judging,parking,prices,the burgers you name it.

the fact is that the majority of drivers and spectators really enjoy the prodrift events and i for one am dam happy that there is a drift event here to compete in.
the price for entering is peanuts in comparison to rallying or circuit events so that is not an argument at all really.€100 for a competing on brilliant tracks,well organised and well suppored by drivers and sponsors is a steal.

regarding the concrete walls if your afraid of them dont go near them!!its drifting not a pillow fight with cars.most drivers will tell you that once you set off from the start line you dont even think about walls,all you are worried about is your line and clipping points and trying not to spin!

as for judging is a thankless job as no matter what decision you make its going to upset somebody.In different peoples eyes different things will impress them more but may not necessiarly what the judges outline what they want to see as it varies from event to event so cut them a bit of slack.

thanks all i have to say except roll on round two and before anyone has a go i have no links to prodrift or any other series.im just a clubman drifter so to speak:D

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Well put lad! People starting to get it at least!

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Originally Posted by Trixta

Would it be fair to say though that by fitting the sr20 you've removed alot of the reasons ppl say rx7s are hard to drift? Lack of engine braking with the rotary engine, small and lightweight engine size means that it is effectively a mid-ship layout. SR20 should remove those two main problems I imagine, and the only other negative about them as far as I'm aware anyway is that you are kind of sitting on the rear axle nearly, although that would be more just a case of getting used to it I'd presume? Although switching between as many cars as you do I imagine that makes it much more difficult. Anyway congrats on the win!!

As for the judgegate topic. Wasnt there so cant really comment. But Irish drifting is all too close nit so it would be nearly impossible to get a totally neutral or non connected person to judge, who would yet still be up to and qualified for the job. Its true that in no other sport would you have somebodys friend, relation or even business colleague etc. judging them in a professional competition, but no matter who you get that will most likely be the case, unless they bring in ppl which I'd be pretty sure they wont.

Nobody will ever be fully happy with judging decisions. Just the nature of the game, and I plan to be at punchestown so I'll get to see for myself I suppose.

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No I think when people say RX7's are hard to drift they mean the way they handle, dont think the SR20 made much of a difference. Even if you asked d mac of fFrenchy im sure they would say the same. I think its because they are so short and wide it makes them very snappy and unforgiving.. It is really easy to spin. But the best thing about the RX7 is the traction, they have really good forward speed.

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Originally Posted by PdDan

Well put lad! People starting to get it at least!

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Get what lad? What are you on about?
Everybody has a right to an opinion on this.
Your view is biased anyway.
You are linked to Prodrift so obviously you will support everything they do.


BROWN NOSE











haha only messin

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Originally Posted by lsd32

lads i been reading through the replys on this thread so i though id stick my 2cents in as well.

no matter what drift event that is/was ever on there is always people complaning,be it prodrift,d-rift or even the di days.you can be assured that the day after the event there will be people whinging about judging,parking,prices,the burgers you name it.

the fact is that the majority of drivers and spectators really enjoy the prodrift events and i for one am dam happy that there is a drift event here to compete in.
the price for entering is peanuts in comparison to rallying or circuit events so that is not an argument at all really.€100 for a competing on brilliant tracks,well organised and well suppored by drivers and sponsors is a steal.

regarding the concrete walls if your afraid of them dont go near them!!its drifting not a pillow fight with cars.most drivers will tell you that once you set off from the start line you dont even think about walls,all you are worried about is your line and clipping points and trying not to spin!

as for judging is a thankless job as no matter what decision you make its going to upset somebody.In different peoples eyes different things will impress them more but may not necessiarly what the judges outline what they want to see as it varies from event to event so cut them a bit of slack.

thanks all i have to say except roll on round two and before anyone has a go i have no links to prodrift or any other series.im just a clubman drifter so to speak:D

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About the only post on here i totally agree with you have it band on in 1 lad.
As for the 100 euro entry its not bad like its 150 to go to mondello practice day and drifting throught the hole in the hedge you meet a car driving towards you with about 20 - 25 cars on the track and in fairness to prodrift i was always giving out about the seat time drivers got but on saturday we got loads.

I havent got the time to read the whole thread but I will put my views up;

I went to watch on Sunday and out of all the Drifting I have been to over the years both spectating and driving (and thats quite alot), I thought that it was the most boring I have ever been to and €20 was too much to charge to get in for what was on offer.

I didnt think any of the drivers were up to there usual quality of driving and that MASSIVE gap between super lap and top 16 was horrendous with nothing to do but watch some people being taken for spins.

On the judging I thought it was very poor. For example in the superlap one judge scoring a driver 4 and another judge scoring him 8 was rediculous. I really think there should be more qualified judges as I thought a couple of the decisions were very dubious.

I hope Prodrift can up there game as they have all the ingredients to make a fantastic series which I can once again attened and be blown away by whats on show.

Edit: Although I did hear Saturday was rocking and James Deane WAS on top form!

Jesus lads my heads melted after reading all these comments haha..:)

People are always going to complain about events, and in this case the same few have been doing the whinging, but fair enough everyone is entitled to an opinion. However unless ye are going to be constructive about it then just quit it. Its not fair to be attacking people, getting abusive and so on.

All the points about bringing in Judges are fair too but no doubt WHOEVER was brought in would be slaughtered in exactly the same way. Judges make decisions, some ppl will support them, others wont. Its always been that way and no matter who is judging it wont change.

Great weekend, unreal weather and some pretty promising displays of whats to come for the rest of the series...

Roll on Round 2 and the fun in Punchestown.... can't wait :)

Couldn't be bothered reading through the that whole thread. I really enjoyed last week, great weather, had a great laugh with the lads and some really good quality drifting. The only problem I had was the Judging, I normally didn't mind the judging at all the other events sometimes they are hard to call but last week took the piss abit.

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Originally Posted by sarhsPD

Jesus lads my heads melted after reading all these comments haha..:)

People are always going to complain about events, and in this case the same few have been doing the whinging, but fair enough everyone is entitled to an opinion. However unless ye are going to be constructive about it then just quit it. Its not fair to be attacking people, getting abusive and so on.

All the points about bringing in Judges are fair too but no doubt WHOEVER was brought in would be slaughtered in exactly the same way. Judges make decisions, some ppl will support them, others wont. Its always been that way and no matter who is judging it wont change.

Great weekend, unreal weather and some pretty promising displays of whats to come for the rest of the series...

Roll on Round 2 and the fun in Punchestown.... can't wait :)

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1 post you have to date sounds a bit odd to me you defend so much welcome to drift ireland will be intersting to see how many posts you put up

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Originally Posted by jap scrap

1 post you have to date sounds a bit odd to me you defend so much welcome to drift ireland will be intersting to see how many posts you put up

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Errrm, not really sure how many posts I make has to do with it. I read what was said and give my opinion on it, same as everyone else has done. Im not defending anything, im calling it as I see it. Simples :)

Wish i was there.. :(