Sure if ya want the horses ya have to be prepared to pay for the hay.....................:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Arnie
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Sure if ya want the horses ya have to be prepared to pay for the hay.....................:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Arnie
New sig lol ha ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Daly Ps13
Sure I agree but there must be some amount of shit out of that amount of hay :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Daly Ps13
Bit off topic, but IMO there's much cheaper ways to get silmiliar results up to sub-400hp than modding RB25, Polo's s14 is a proof of that. I don't think that you'd need more than 300hp on a road car realistically. Especially in Ireland.
My goal is great torque curve and response but not for 5k package which will eat pistons for breakfast.
Its approx 5 cars on each session. He's also now arranged dates for a trip to Northern Ireland in March ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by EvojeepGal
yeah, it's 5 cars and then one or two on stand-by in case a slot opens up i think.
Also heard, no disrespect Steve! But he takes his time and many sessions go over so for whoevers not first in line, be expecting some extra tea & cake time!! :p
Actually looking forward to the after comments of this session, no harm in extra/fresh options in the mapping department, especially considering this lad travels all over Europe in particular to map cars, not many can accomplish European recognisation, let alone National ;)
seen him map a few cars when I have been over in smiths over the years and he does a great job and knows his stuff and gets great results
Yea, to be honest he's not done anything of mine yet, but its VERY rare you hear NO bad stories whatsoever from a mapper.
Ive heard and seen UK cars and owners more than happy with his work so wonder how us rough Irish will go!!!
TBH im very particular about who i let near my car (Evo) etc after putting lots of money into it and not wanting it to go bang, its taken a lot of research and views from people who have used Steve and people who have not, but recommended his work.
But in fairness regardless of how good anyone is it is VERY rare to get someone who has never had an engine go bang on them..... particularly with higher end figures.
And also to get a trade section on Driftworks alone speaks volumes!
At the end of the day, its the people from Driftworks (& some from on here) that have been onto Steve to do sessions over here that have made him get his ass in gear and take the plunge, as considering its on his pocket to invest coming here first time out to chance this country, it aint an easy thing to do, in no business sense, and still could go very wrong up until the last minute.
So for that alone i wish him all the very best of luck, especially seeing as within the last week he's already confirmed a 2nd Irish date & a 1st for Northern Ireland also.
Some lads paid for him to go maps some race cars in Jamaca:eek: Iv never heard of a tuner getting asked to go all round europ and further!! Most strugle to get local work in, that says some thing!! Lol, its not even his day job, this is his hobbie:DQuote:
Originally Posted by EvojeepGal
Mapping a car properly takes quite a while. The quickest car to map would be a NA on ITBS and that normally takes 3+ hours to do properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Daly Ps13
A turbo car on AFM's and Power FC would take us 3-4 hours on the dyno to be sure it right. Doing the part throttle and light load is very time consuming. Its very easy to tune the full throttle for power. But getting the afr and timing right at 30-60% throttle on a drift car when the trubo is surging is not easy at all.
If its a car that i have mapped before and it hasnt had major parts changed then probally 2 hours.
The main thing is that you need to keep the tempratures constant and to my knoweledge no one has better cooling for there dyno than we do. It still takes us a while on a turbo car to let it settle to the same tempratures for each and every run.
I personally would not like to try and map 5+ cars I have never seen before in a day.
In the end of the day its all down to personal preference.
I still think that the clain on the std evo is pure BS.
Robbie
In fairness it dose seem a bit sketchy...... Say if it takes you 4 hours to map a car and if you were to map 5 cars in a day it'd take you 20 hours..... And thats provided theres no hiccups along the way.......Quote:
Originally Posted by robbie@tdp.ie
Say this lad starts at 8 and finishes at 7...... Now thats 11 hours without a break....... Thats half the time it'd take you robbie........ Basically 2 hours a car....... Can this be done people and you think by the time he maps the last car he'd be gee eyed.........
But at the end of the day iv heard nothing but good about this man so il'l give him a shot...... And at the end of the day if he dose pull it off....... Well......
It'l be like a blind prostatute..........
Ya have to hand it to her........:D
not every car takes 4 hours to map. you'd be daft to believe that.
my car was mapped in all of an hour. map loaded, tweeked, then monitored and tweeked a little more out oon the road.
job done.
and has been flying ever since.
So what your saying is its not mapping. Its uploading a map form another engine / car and then messing with it abit. This is not mapping...or anything like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan B.
Proper mapping tunes every fuel and Ing site for all load conditions and RPM's. As well as tuning all the compensations maps for air / coolant temps. This can be done on any engine in an hour let alone 2 hours. Especially on a rolling road as the tires would melt.
Robbie
What about the setup rip down time ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Daly Ps13
Robbie
How long dose that take.......?Quote:
Originally Posted by robbie@tdp.ie
it's uploading a map you've developed ahead of time and tweeking it to suit the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by robbie@tdp.ie
of course if you're mapping from scratch on a blank ecu etc it will take alot longer, but i doubt thats what any of these cars will be.
i wouldn be into that now ! all these fellas go on about how much time they spend on a car doing a CUSTOM ! map and have the cheek to charge ya ha makes ye laugh ! have to agree wit ur man tdp id want it started from scratch time spent working on the car not talking pony please enlighten me if im wrong and that tweaking another uploaded map is how its done as im just learning :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan B.
the map wasnt got from revo and just uploaded, thats not what i mean.
chap that done my car develops his own maps and knows exactly what he's doing.
spends alot of time trying out differant things and mapping for differant fuels etc.
it's not a case of plug in hit go and walk away and thats it.
it's not some monkey with a laptop buying maps from another company that doesnt know what he's at.
and what happens if some1 comes in with a car that needs a complete custom map due to how extreme the mods are on the car and a download map wont do
Toys out of pram comes to mind in this thread:rolleyes:
Steves website shows plenty of video footage of a lot of what he's done and figures, i think the proof is there to be seen regardless of his "behind the scene" way of working.
This guys mapping the last 10years or more and has a FLAWLESS reputation throughout the UK and Europe (that ive found out anyway) Garage-D use him along with Driftworks, yes he must be crap:cool:
I am sure he is/has done his homework on the cars which are booked in :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by grimix180
Steve can also bypass password locked ecu's etc he's a computer genious!
Its nothing like that. I am a Trader on Drift Ireland and I am trying to help the members make a educated decision on how a cars is mapped.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvojeepGal
When you have one of this guys Steve's customers/friends come on quoting insane figures for a std EVO 6 you guys set the alarm bells of your selves.
If you want to make wild claims you need be able to back them up.
Robbie
Paul/Polo has already backed up the "claim" by posting video evidence of it a few pages back.....:rolleyes:
Yes I understand your a trader on here & thats your business, but if someone else comes on here offering the same business i do theres not a lot i can do about it, its a public forum this is a discussion.
Paul/Polo also helped out members on here by providing a lot of educational information about the setup of driftcars etc and steering in which that trader childishly deleted it because it wasn't his product, yet the information was very helpful.
Mucha much situation really, all very childish in my eyes, as for Steve, Im really looking forward to hearing about his outcome after his first session here.
Everyone has their own way of mapping and thats thier business, if Steve was a newbe on the block i would understand the caution but of all the digging ive done so far im yet to find anyone with a bad word to say about his work
then obviously it will take longer then won't itQuote:
Originally Posted by grimix180
He posted a video totally contradicting his std claim. Which should the members believe. Some one who knows about evos telling them in is not possible on a std engine or a video of an very obviously not std engine making 470 bhp claming to be std.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvojeepGal
Robbie
In fairness im not doubting the mans ability to map........ But that evo wasn't standerd it had a big fuck off shiny manifold wich i say more than likely had a big fuck off turbo connected to it......Quote:
Originally Posted by robbie@tdp.ie
Plus the big hks sticker...... I know its only a sticker but come on he hardly put it on cause its standerd......
Ive seen the car myself and spoke to the owner of it not so long ago, theres 3videos of the car on the website, the last one it has a 2.2stroker engine in it.
I personally did not see the car before the stroker kit, im going on what ive been told and read.
I think at this stage, your going on about it so much, give Steve a ring yourself and settle it direct at the source instead of me being the middle man on a car i did not see back at the time it was done.
Its all easy to speculate and try put off other competitors by bullshitting them on public forums, its not like these are accusations, regardless and even Polo's SR20 is a prime example of Steve's work on minimal supporting mods.
Julian Smith & Phil Morrisson surely dont recommend the chap for no reason.
I say call him and cut out all this bullshit once and for all as its dragging a bit long in the tooth now about this one particular car ;)
Sure that engine was built by HKS :p only messin
Robbie you have PM
All I am doing is showing the members that some of the claims about the mans power figures are not quite right. I am sure if he is as good as they say he wont be happy with other people quoting bigger figures also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie Daly Ps13
Robbie
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Originally Posted by Polo
Second video Polo stated that the big 35r was not fitted in this video. But it clearly was. You can see form the torque graph that the turbo spools late.
Robbie
The mans got a good point........Quote:
Originally Posted by robbie@tdp.ie
As ive already said.....
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Originally Posted by EvojeepGal
So its actually 2.2 stroked and GT35r. Well I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvojeepGal
Happy mapping people.
Robbie
Ha....... Fucking priceless........Quote:
Originally Posted by robbie@tdp.ie
Theres some things money can't buy.......:D
It is in the 3rd video, read the info on the pages, theres over a year and a half between the different dates. The video u quoted above hadn't got the stroker kit fitted at that stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by robbie@tdp.ie
Can u not read what im saying no, im kinda getting sick of repeating myself here, cut the bullshit and sort it yourself if it bothers u so much, ring the guy, he is very genuine and im sure will have no problem answering your issues
im sure if anyone is interested in possibly getting work done by him in the future, all they have to do is go along for a look while he's here like i'm doing.
at the end of the day, the bad opinion of a competeing company means very little just as the good opinion of his brother would for example.
go see for yourselves.
eh i just want to say, no one has called this guy crap as evojeepgal suggested. No one has he cant map, but i do not agree with his figures as they are wrong clearly, iv heard alot of std evo turbos spooling and that aint one on that evo! And that green 14 says usuall bolt on mods,??if you bolt on enough mods you will see over 400hp????? This is not to question this lads mapping only figures so dont bite my head off:-) :-) :-)!!!!
Lol!
The evo is my best mates, iv done all the work on it part from the mapping!!
The car came in from japan with a few mods already, a set of cusco 2way diffs, cusco twin plate clutch and modified ecu(unknown). There is a chance that there may have been some thing not standard with the turbo, but it all had stock lines, and looked prety stock when i removed it. The engine was 100% stock in the 1st two fids, i stripped the engine down and fitted the stroker kit, so i should know;)
The 1st vid was of stock every thing other than ECU(D-Jetro), IC, exhaust. aprox 400hp(we may have fitted the manifold for this i cant remember with out looking)
The second vid is with same as above but a beefed up fuel sytem, 044 pump, 10mm ID feeds, 8mm ID returns, adjustable fuel pressure regulator(IIRC 1bar more than stock), swerl pot, HKS fuel rail and twin scrol manifold internal gate. aprox 470hp.
The 3rd vid is with 2.4ltr, 288 cams, HKS pulleys, 35r, tiel WG, full race external gate manifold, 1000cc injectors and some other bits 1mm over size valves, springs etc etc. over 550hp
Steve has a day job(not mapping/college teacher) and 90% of his mapping is done in the evenings, i normally meet him at the dyno at 7pm and he normaly fits in 3 cars befor 2-3am, normaly tweeking one on the way to and from the dyno, he also has been to alot of the events with me and always has his laptop on him, jumps in the car for tweeks.
If youv been doing any thing for over 10 years, youl be faster at it than people who havent;)
Any way, im not going to argue about it, every one has there own business, just stating from my experiance with steve.
There is no point bickering over this like kids, people are free to use who they wish.
The green s14a is mine, let me tell you a bit about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonie
The engine in that vid was 100% stock internaly apparts from 1.9mm head gasket and rocker arm stoppers.
It is the engine that my car came out of the factory with and had done 125,000miles at the time.
The head had a few cracks in it between the valve seats and spark plug holes, it had second hand stock pistons and rings, i reused the old shels and rods.
Its with stock fuel pressure, walbro fuel pump, 740cc reworked stock injectors.
GT30/76r, tiel 44mm WG, custom IC set up, hand made inlet plenum, hand made exhaust manifold and exhaust.
Stock ignition coils wth extra earths and NGK 9's spark plugs.
Catch tank and some other breathing mods to the cam cover.
Thats it!
Check out my project thread for full spec and pics of every thing!Incuding the fitting of second hand pistons, the cracks in the head etc etc etc.
In regards to "fake" figers, i took the car to a rolling road day with a car club a few weeks later, it actully made more power on the other dyno than when steve mapped it on the dynamics, so defo not "fixed" if thats what your thinking;)
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Originally Posted by Polo
So you are saying that it had a totally stock EVO 6 turbo ? In the video where it was clearly laggy ?
Robbie