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She broke the car already and I've only been gone for a day... :rolleyes:
Anyhow, when we bought the car we were told that there was a procedure that had to be performed before the car would fire, due to the Walbro or fuel line being installed funnily or something.
The procedure was, prime the fuel pump twice, press the throttle twice, and then fire it up. This worked grand for the last few days, but this morning for some reason the car refused to fire when Kelly was heading to work but she managed to bump start it on a hill. The problem has reared it's head again this evening, and she is now stuck in town with the car.
Anybody got any clue as to why the car has to be started that way, and what can we do to sort it? Would it being low on petrol cause the firing problem today? When I say low, it's just under a quarter of a tank.
i have the same pump in my yoke,i just turn on the ignition and wait for the pump to stop making noise and then she turns over straight away,its hardly the battery is it???
does it have a fuel pressure reg it could be that,my reg wasnt put in properly when i got it and it struggled to start,and had to push start it to blow out the fuel as reg kept flooding the car!
is there much noise off the pump???
That's what we do, but we had to do it twice and it always worked. Except for today.
It has fpr alright. I reckoned she flooded it trying to get it to start, so she may leave it until she gets a posse together to push it.
Ya, there's a good noise off it alright.
first off a/m pumps work no different than stock ones...
should need no "extra" proceedures to start a car....
there's a fair noise off walbro's anyways but id nearly say your pump is fooked.
car have an alarm? or any fc or the likes? elec gadgets to do with fuel or spark?
I have a ten litre jerry can and I'm goin to see what I can do in a few mins :(
^^^^ That didn't work.
first off a/m pumps work no different than stock ones...
should need no "extra" proceedures to start a car....
there's a fair noise off walbro's anyways but id nearly say your pump is fooked.
car have an alarm? or any fc or the likes? elec gadgets to do with fuel or spark?
Obviously which is why i asked is there any reason why this car had to be started that way. :)
It has an alarm and thats about it. May get a mechanic at it Monday.
my guess is pump (or its filter even)
if it needs 2 primes it sounds like it to me anyways.
way2fastforu
21-08-10, 19:27
Anyhow, when we bought the car we were told that there was a procedure that had to be performed before the car would fire, due to the Walbro or fuel line being installed funnily or something.
this alone would have made me suspicous bout the car wen bein told that by the seller.
could be a weak pump or blocked fuel filter maybe...is it havin any probs runnin??or is it jus wen its startin??
be worth tryin a fuel pump you know is good
my guess is pump (or its filter even)
if it needs 2 primes it sounds like it to me anyways.
Ok, thanks. :)
this alone would have made me suspicous bout the car wen bein told that by the seller.
could be a weak pump or blocked fuel filter maybe...is it havin any probs runnin??or is it jus wen its startin??
be worth tryin a fuel pump you know is good
He said it was only on cold mornings though. It has no trouble when it's running at all, just on start up. Sometimes itd fire up on the first turn of the key when we forgot to do the fancy pants pain in the arse procedure.
Much hassle to change a fuel pump in a 180?
way2fastforu
21-08-10, 19:42
na its simple enuf change dude ya do it in 15mins easy wit basic tools.
id try a pump you know is good anyway its prob jus gone weak the one thats in it.
if ya know anyone that has a 180 or s13 see can ya try theirs for few mins
mine was the same changed the pump and filter now shes grand
na its simple enuf change dude ya do it in 15mins easy wit basic tools.
id try a pump you know is good anyway its prob jus gone weak the one thats in it.
if ya know anyone that has a 180 or s13 see can ya try theirs for few mins
Cool. I'll drop down to Waterford tomorrow and give that a shot. :)
mine was the same changed the pump and filter now shes grand
Cool, cheers. :cool:
Ok, thanks. :)
He said it was only on cold mornings though. It has no trouble when it's running at all, just on start up. Sometimes itd fire up on the first turn of the key when we forgot to do the fancy pants pain in the arse procedure.
Much hassle to change a fuel pump in a 180?
Its simple just remember to disconnect the battery.
its in the boot on the left hand side.Take the cover then just pop it out check that the sock on the end is not clogged with anything ie dirt etc
I have a walboro in my 180 no problems what so ever
Also if there is an am fpr is it set to the right pressure is there a gauge on it?
Cheers for that bnollie. Ya there's a gauge on the FPR. What pressure should it be at?
bubble1984
21-08-10, 20:14
are u wit d car now, ill check it out dere now if u want, i hav a walbro and sender in my boot. just bout to sell it. my car gave similar issues.
Sound Reuben, I'll get her to give you a ring now.
She just texted me and it's running again now. It must have been out of petrol and the gauge is faulty or something.
Still have to figure out why it has a starting procedure though.
bubble1984
21-08-10, 20:26
Sound Reuben, I'll get her to give you a ring now.
She just texted me and it's running again now. It must have been out of petrol and the gauge is faulty or something.
Still have to figure out why it has a starting procedure though.
ok, does she want them other bits? she never rang,
it shouldnt hava starting procedure, i dont c wat pressing d throttle b4 startin would do, sounds like BS to me. does it turn over ok, also there is a relay for the pump which i would usually bypass and run the pump from battery via a switch,(doubling up as anti theft device) it could be run off ign and when starting the draw could be weakining pump pressure, but it should still start. nothing an hour or so of investigation wouldnt fix im sure
I was talking to her there and she's going to give you a shout.
Ya, that makes sense alright. No chance of it getting to a mechanic for a week or so though, so unless she sorts something out in the mean time she may put up with it.
bubble1984
21-08-10, 21:06
well i can look at d car in my garage tomorow, or later. if ur cumin down tomorrow ye cud drop out, i just sold dat pump dere now but hav a new walbro in my skyline we cud try. it shudnt be 2 hard to get to d bottom of it, im a "mechanic" meself. . . well so dey say. lol.
nothin worse dan sittin in2 a car that u dont know if its gunna start. :( hopefully figure it out hand enuf
Cheers for that bnollie. Ya there's a gauge on the FPR. What pressure should it be at?
well mine read around .4
Bubble1984 is looking at it tomorrow so it should be all sorted. :D
have a look for start signal at the ecu the unloader relay can fuck up and not sent a start signal to the ecu causing it to flood, its and orange wire in the small white plug at the ecu it should come live when you crank the car
bubble1984
22-08-10, 11:03
was tinkin of dat, my skyline gave dat trouble for 6 weeks before i discovered dat wire.ill let ye know wat i find. i tink deres a fuse 4 dat wire nd all. pin 34 metinks or 43 on d skybus.
I had the same problem with mine greg
wat i did was tried three 3 and it was only when i did all three it worked perfectly
- New battery
- New walbro 255 fuel pump
- starter motor refurbished
starts perfect every time since
And not to much expense in all that either
bubble1984
22-08-10, 23:53
I had the same problem with mine greg
wat i did was tried three 3 and it was only when i did all three it worked perfectly
- New battery
- New walbro 255 fuel pump
- starter motor refurbished
starts perfect every time since
And not to much expense in all that either
batter is a1, pump is a1, starter also mint!
hopefully the issue is sorted now. fingers crossed :)
It started on the button this morning apparently. Good job Reuben. :D
bubble1984
23-08-10, 12:41
It started on the button this morning apparently. Good job Reuben. :D
tanx, found a lot of 'loose ends' in d car dat are sorted now, but a full check over wud help:D.
but wit regards to starting, ecu was gettin crank signal etc.but dat FPR which was regulating fuel on the way back to the tank after it was already regulated wasnt helping.
also d vacuum lines to the nissan regulator wer more holy dan Tony Montana at d end of Scarface. :eek:
Good man Ruby :D
Some retards should not be left near a car!
tanx, found a lot of 'loose ends' in d car dat are sorted now, but a full check over wud help:D.
but wit regards to starting, ecu was gettin crank signal etc.but dat FPR which was regulating fuel on the way back to the tank after it was already regulated wasnt helping.
also d vacuum lines to the nissan regulator wer more holy dan Tony Montana at d end of Scarface. :eek:
Those Cork boys do be up to some strange things with their cars. :D
Bump!!! It's not starting again.
what seems to be the problem with it now?
Same as last time, turning over but not firing. I'm in Arklow and Keli is in Waterford with it.
can she hear if the pump is kicking in?
she said she could, and it's quite loud so easily heard.
maybe try and get ruby to look at it again,cos it's just something silly thats wrong with it
Is there any chance that it could be that the car isn't firing or sparking or whatever and its not a problem with the pump?
Is there any chance that it could be that the car isn't firing or sparking or whatever and its not a problem with the pump?
yes there is that chance.
when i got my yoke first the problem was that there wasn't enough ampage in the battery to fire the engine and it kept flooding the engine even after 2 or 3 turnovers.the battery definitely ok?
I thought so
But when I finally got the car started today the clock had reset, so now im not so sure?
Dunnedriftin
12-09-10, 21:30
Check the earths on the coil packs, i had a problem with the R32 she wud start 1 time & not the next & it was down to a bad earth. worth a try atleast...
I thought so
But when I finally got the car started today the clock had reset, so now im not so sure?
You can fire my battery into it tomorrow night and see what happens. Actually, pull out that big 40 amp fuse for your sound system because it's probably wired arseways and draining your battery, which would explain why the car is harder to start the longer it isn't driven.
Check the earths on the coil packs, i had a problem with the R32 she wud start 1 time & not the next & it was down to a bad earth. worth a try atleast...
um . . . ill try what greg said :)
You can fire my battery into it tomorrow night and see what happens. Actually, pull out that big 40 amp fuse for your sound system because it's probably wired arseways and draining your battery, which would explain why the car is harder to start the longer it isn't driven.
ok done :)
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