can spray-painters chime in, please, i need some help.

[ali-d1936]

this is a little thing i was working on for my brothers was supposed to be a christmas present but iv been so busy and generally unwell the last few months its dragging on :mad:

its a full size pool table, was a gift from a pub i used to work in years ago when i was younger, was going to be scrapped a few months ago as the Quote to refurb the torn cloth Professionably was unbelieveable :O a few gouges on the slate but its not cracked and all straight, but it was generally shoddy scrapped and damaged laminate on the body.

i bought cloth online, was just going to re surface it but decided to do it once and right and decided to tidy it up,

iv no expeirence in spray painting at all, but i read a few topics online, we have a compressor,so i got clewed up, bought a gravity feed gun, sandpaper thinners and paint,

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ali-d1936/IMAG1292_zpsadfa8026.jpg

First problem:

i remade the black peice in the body of the table out of plywood,i sanded, rubbed thinners over it and i sprayed it in primer and all these weird cracks/flakes/bubbling started to form in the paint in 2 little areas, sanded it back and re primered it again but the same happened again :confused:
what would be causing this? as im at a loss with it?

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ali-d1936/IMAG1388_zpsaf1ad245.jpg

second problem:

i stripped fixed the damage and primed the body of the table
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ali-d1936/IMAG1389_zpse16aadcb.jpg

this was after one coat of 2 pac primer i blocked it back with 800 grit wet paper and gave it another coat,

i then got the black paint its 1 pac paint, mixed it 2:1 paint thinners sprayed a few peices and it just ran and didnt set right.

i then mixed it 3:1 and sprayed on a few coats, i block it back with 800 grit wet paper but its just realy rough tiny little bubbles are forming all over like feck just on the top part.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ali-d1936/IMAG1424_zps30fb7fd5.jpg

(this picture is the top of the table)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ali-d1936/IMAG1420_zps2576630d.jpg

is that normal? as iv blocked it back again to take out the bubble marks and leave it as smooth as i can, and I am getting ready with the next coat and id rather see if im going wrong with something before going further :)

[pinny]

Im not a painter but to me it looks like the paint is reacting. Iv seen it on body panels that would not be 100% wiped down with panel wipe.
Have you drained your compressor ? Cud be moisture coming through in your air line

[S14a johno]

ya should have varished it man, less work involed,
spray paintingtimber doesnt work that great, ya better of getting
paint from b and q or hardware it be far quicker lad, not primer or anyting
just lash it on

the paint taking a re action to the timber lad, i had that problem on the bonnet
so i just primed it, but being honest black paint is just as good alan

[ali-d1936]

Im not a painter but to me it looks like the paint is reacting. Iv seen it on body panels that would not be 100% wiped down with panel wipe.
Have you drained your compressor ? Cud be moisture coming through in your air line

ya i figured it was reacting alright but i 100% wiped it down with Thinners on a cloth and let it dry before i sprayed it, but you are 100% right i just went out to the compressor and shook it and you can her the water sploshing inside the fucking thing LOL, ill drain it out now LOL cheers man.


ya should have varished it man, less work involed,
spray paintingtimber doesnt work that great, ya better of getting
paint from b and q or hardware it be far quicker lad, not primer or anyting
just lash it on

the paint taking a re action to the timber lad, i had that problem on the bonnet
so i just primed it, but being honest black paint is just as good alan

whats varnish? like a stain? i had to fix the body in parts with body filler as the vaneer had come off in chunks in places so paint was the only option, i bought paint from homebase for use on cabinte doors and the likes claims that its one coat and streak free with this particular brush, bigest waste of E30 LOL took a lifetime to do one section and was full of streaks off the brush, so took it all back off to the laminate again i decided to risk spraying it. it was looking shite anyway so anything is a improvemnt :)

[S14a johno]

ya i figured it was reacting alright but i 100% wiped it down with Thinners on a cloth and let it dry before i sprayed it, but you are 100% right i just went out to the compressor and shook it and you can her the water sploshing inside the fucking thing LOL, ill drain it out now LOL cheers man.



whats varnish? like a stain? i had to fix the body in parts with body filler as the vaneer had come off in chunks in places so paint was the only option, i bought paint from homebase for use on cabinte doors and the likes claims that its one coat and streak free with this particular brush, bigest waste of E30 LOL took a lifetime to do one section and was full of streaks off the brush, so took it all back off to the laminate again i decided to risk spraying it. it was looking shite anyway so anything is a improvemnt :)

lol why did ya ring i was in sligio and all on friday, lol dont paint it with a brush, paint around the edges, paint in 3 or 4 inchs with the brush then roll the whole lot of it no marks, and paint streak free wouldnt belive that,
leave the primer on it, just paint over it, i tink that ya have so many layers on it, the 2 pac paint takeing a reaction to the lot, well ya could stain it but would ya not get lamiated timber? and stick it on?

[murray sr22]

i think you should leave the painting and il buy it off ya?ha ah naw a brush and roller be perfect with it?

[ali-d1936]

lol why did ya ring i was in sligio and all on friday, lol dont paint it with a brush, paint around the edges, paint in 3 or 4 inchs with the brush then roll the whole lot of it no marks, and paint streak free wouldnt belive that,
leave the primer on it, just paint over it, i tink that ya have so many layers on it, the 2 pac paint takeing a reaction to the lot, well ya could stain it but would ya not get lamiated timber? and stick it on?

why didnt i call? you know where i am why didnt you call me???? XXX LOL what had you up here? ah righ i never though of a roller LOL, there is 2 coats of 2 pac gray primer and sofar 2 coats of black paint, its odd the sides of the body of the table are sound look great just the top looks bubbly and shit :)


i think you should leave the painting and il buy it off ya?ha ah naw a brush and roller be perfect with it?
haha i would have paid to have it taken away a few months ago would leave me with so much room to park and work on the car but im going to build my own shed later and give this one to the bros and fill it with shite for them :)

[tony]

da it back with 320 barcoat and prime over that then flat with 800 and paint .prob the bar prob used silliconepolish like mr sheen a real bitch to paint after that

[Boguey001]

To me that picture looks like dirt in the paint, but its hard to judge, how clean is it where your spraying it

[decobyrne106]

seems like the paint re-acted with the temp, it's doesn't seem like dirt, it could be joist moisture in the air

[ali-d1936]

its not dirt anyway, sanded the primer with 800 grit and got it smotth and flat no imperfections at all, then wiped eveything down with thinners to clean it up, gave tha about 20min to dry and put on the first coat of black paint, it had all air bubbles in it, i gave a rub of a brush in one section on top and that bit seemed fine, sanded that coat back flat, and what you are looking at is the second coat but it aall bubbled again, all the sides are sound no bubbles in it just the top part right the way around.

i just sprayed the front cover bit again where the balls are held in the body, after i drained the water out of the tank, sanded it back cleaned it with thinners and sprayed it and the flakeyness didnt show up so thats that bit sorted :) i might not have cleaned it with thinners the first time aswell as i thought i had ;)

still stumped on the bubbleing on the top part of the table tho :/

[Boguey001]

its not dirt anyway, sanded the primer with 800 grit and got it smotth and flat no imperfections at all, then wiped eveything down with thinners to clean it up, gave tha about 20min to dry and put on the first coat of black paint, it had all air bubbles in it, i gave a rub of a brush in one section on top and that bit seemed fine, sanded that coat back flat, and what you are looking at is the second coat but it aall bubbled again, all the sides are sound no bubbles in it just the top part right the way around.

i just sprayed the front cover bit again where the balls are held in the body, after i drained the water out of the tank, sanded it back cleaned it with thinners and sprayed it and the flakeyness didnt show up so thats that bit sorted :) i might not have cleaned it with thinners the first time aswell as i thought i had ;)

still stumped on the bubbleing on the top part of the table tho :/
Doesn't matter how much ya cleaned it if you we're sanding in the same room there's guna be dust in the air, seen it myself with cars. Also ya should have gave it a quick rub of a tack cloth before you started spraying after the thinners was dried.

[ali-d1936]

humm must get some of this sack cloth on monday so never herd of it before, cheers man,

[marksull]

vinyl wrap?

[nick180sx]

Go to a cabinet makers place or a joinery workshop and get 2 pack AC primer and paint.Sand it all down with 120 grit sandpaper and then 240,put on 2 primer coats and 1 finish coat.No need for 800 grit sandpaper or anything near it when working with wood.Top looks like it was cleaned with a cleaning polish which dosn't mix with paint atal and that has prob caused the reaction.

[Marcin1991]

wipe with white spirit not thinner;)

[tony]

yea wrap it b4 u sand it all away

[ali-d1936]

thanks to alot of people who chimed in i figured out alot of problems i was having mainly water in the compressor and thats what was causing the bubbles on the surface. *Facepalm

im also putting on coats to thick rather than nice light coats.

now i put on a further 2 coats and came out nice and i sanded down with 1200 and then 2000 grit this morning before i left and looking at it now on my lunch break its better than it was...

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ali-d1936/IMAG1434_zpscc151d80.jpg

but its a bit dull in places now after sanding?

surly i can no clear coat ontop of this now as it would be all dull in places?

or can i just clearcoat on top of that?

i dont know if its the sanding marks thats making the paint whit with scratches or if iv sanded down to the primer? i only gave it very light wet sanding...

more coats of paint? i want to get a nice polished finish

[decobyrne106]

do to dry coats, 1 after the other, and then a very light sanding, not going deep at all just to take the bare rough off it, 2 shots of clear coat and hope for the best

[ali-d1936]

Cheers for all the help on this lads got it finished lastweekend :) needed something for around the face as you could see the edge of the plywood and it looked shite :/ so i bought 2 strips of tile edgeing.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ali-d1936/IMAG1469_zps988cebb3.jpg

stuck them on...
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ali-d1936/IMAG1467_zpsc53a56a4.jpg

then trimmed the Cushions was a fucking balls of a job but got that sorted.
and stuck on the cloth :)
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ali-d1936/IMAG1471_zps20e806b7.jpg
:)

paint itself came out well bought a orbital polisher some cutting pads and polish and it buffed up pritty well :) think im ready to tackle spraying a car now haha :)

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/ali-d1936/IMAG1472_zpsaffc77fc.jpg

id say it cost about E200 between the paint and the Cloth, to get it professionally recovered (just replace the cloth)we where Quoted E800 :O
so was worth it

nice pool-table Laddddddddddd ;)

[peterhouze]

so thats what you where doing with the tile edging

[ali-d1936]

haha Ya LOL needed something finished it off nicly :)

[bandit]

turned out very well in the end but to start off you should of sealed up the wood with a PVC sealer and cleaned it all with panel wipe not thinners

looks the part now fair play for sticking with it :cool: