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Prodrift
03-02-12, 17:11
Press Release
February 3rd, 2012.
Cork, Ireland
For Immediate Release

Prodrift Ireland – 2012 Rules & Regulations.

Prodrift is proud to announce the 2012 Prodrift Ireland Rules & Regulations. All vehicles must be logged prior to entering any Prodrift competition. Logging days will take place at different intervals prior to round one. Cars may be logged once the season has begun. Logging will NOT take place at Prodrift championship rounds.

To view, please follow the link http://www.prodriftseries.com/2012/02/03/prodrift-ireland-2012-rules-regulations/


We are also pleased to announce the Prodrift Tech officer for the 2012 season will be John Stone.

Logging dates and locations to follow.

If you have any questions regarding the 2012 Prodrift Ireland Rules & Regulations please email info@prodriftseries.com

————ENDS—————

dR Dan
03-02-12, 18:49
OMG :eek:

gmaneire
03-02-12, 19:01
Finally!!

Doofer
03-02-12, 19:18
When are the logging days being released

BStoneRacing
03-02-12, 19:24
Cool beans

Robbie Daly Ps13
03-02-12, 19:44
As regards to the bulk head modifications if the car is logged before the date showing it will be ok...! Am I right in saying that...!

twailbait
03-02-12, 19:49
The way that is worded suggests that there shouldn't be any extra bracing from a cage to the front strut towers?

JStone
03-02-12, 19:57
As regards to the bulk head modifications if the car is logged before the date showing it will be ok...! Am I right in saying that...!

Correct


The way that is worded suggests that there shouldn't be any extra bracing from a cage to the front strut towers?

Extra bracing and reinforcement of front and rear struts is allowed!

garyae86
03-02-12, 20:02
As regards to the bulk head modifications if the car is logged before the date showing it will be ok...! Am I right in saying that...!

ok so when is that date ?? and if your bulk head is cut out and logged before then it will be allowed ?

ste
03-02-12, 20:13
what about open face helmets, i have a sparco pro jet and it meets the
British Helmet Standard – BS6658 Type A/FR, BS6658-85 Type A

i have seen this rule stated in previous regs for prodrift yet some drivers have used open face helmets

git
03-02-12, 20:15
what about open face helmets, i have a sparco pro jet and it meets the
British Helmet Standard – BS6658 Type A/FR, BS6658-85 Type A

i have seen this rule stated in previous regs for prodrift yet some drivers have used open face helmets

No open face dude

ste
03-02-12, 20:43
No open face dude

But the rules for 2010 stated the same yet I can name 2 pro drivers that used open face since then

git
03-02-12, 20:48
Rules for 2012 state this

(7.4)Certified Helmet (Full face only)
FIA8860-2004
Snell Memorial Foundation – SA95, SA2000, SA2005
SFI Foundation – Spec 31.2, Spec 31.1A, Spec 31.2A
British Helmet Standard – BS6658 Type A/FR, BS6658-85 Type A

Just helpn ya out dude ,my point is to see wether the rules will get bent !

skinnynphats200
04-02-12, 01:13
I used an FIA approved open face helmet last year

Daly
04-02-12, 01:33
Thats fair enough...but for all the people that have been going at their cars for a few evenings every here and there for the winter evenings there is still a few changes to be made for the majority of people on a tight time/money budget... real pity this could not have been done sooner...just speaking from a personal point of view as i am not competing this year but have been helping out a fair few people that are...roll on the sessions i say :afro:

Prodrifter86
04-02-12, 01:56
awesome bolt in cages fia approved are allowed still!! :)

sideways boy
04-02-12, 02:26
Would a cusco thru dash cage do the job so? They are built with the proper cold drawn steel and have fia spec joints so I cant see any reason why one would not pass regulations apart from the dash dodgers of course which are definetely banned.

jeff nelson sileighty
04-02-12, 02:55
its not fair for them to decide dash dodgers arent allowed at this stage....i havent the money to replace that at this pont and if i had been notified sooner then i could have saved for a through the dash cage.....its a fucking joke :mad: rules should have been out at least a month ago to give people a chance

Diesel-Dick
04-02-12, 09:41
its not fair for them to decide dash dodgers arent allowed at this stage....i havent the money to replace that at this pont and if i had been notified sooner then i could have saved for a through the dash cage.....its a fucking joke :mad: rules should have been out at least a month ago to give people a chance

tbf now in ur case all that needs to be done is make 2 new front legs and weld them to ur hoop, not that expensive it would be madness to change ur whole cage

tweek
04-02-12, 09:41
@ste that's always been the way I had a dash dodger and was told to put in door bars so I copied one of the pro cars went to logging and was told to cut out the bars and reweld them (further weaking the cage) back in a different position was also told to remove roof lining on my car when other cars had that still installed I was still using mine on the road so I said fuck that.
@ jeff nelson man I feel for you it's a right kick in the nuts with the changes as they should have brought out the rules earlier instead of lying to people and delaying for such a long period fortunately for me I was not fully committed to competiting in prodrift as driftfest is now a option

jeff nelson sileighty
04-02-12, 11:49
tbf now in ur case all that needs to be done is make 2 new front legs and weld them to ur hoop, not that expensive it would be madness to change ur whole cage

I know ya but at the same time its still money i dont have yano and many people are guna be rightly stuck now because of it....i know i went on a bit of a rant in my last post but its not fair for them to decide that at this point

Diesel-Dick
04-02-12, 12:45
I know ya but at the same time its still money i dont have yano and many people are guna be rightly stuck now because of it....i know i went on a bit of a rant in my last post but its not fair for them to decide that at this point

i know wat u mean lad i agree rules should have been announced alot sooner! but my basic point was u dont need to change whole cage. :) id say some lads have alot of changes to make :(

Falvey
04-02-12, 13:06
tbf now in ur case all that needs to be done is make 2 new front legs and weld them to ur hoop, not that expensive it would be madness to change ur whole cage

Is this allowed? The impression I get is that the only bolt in cages allowed are fully fia approved non dash dodgers? Does this not mean that if you have a dash dodger and cut the two front legs and replace them it is no longer fia approved?? Confusion :-(

garyae86
04-02-12, 13:18
Is this allowed? The impression I get is that the only bolt in cages allowed are fully fia approved non dash dodgers? Does this not mean that if you have a dash dodger and cut the two front legs and replace them it is no longer fia approved?? Confusion :-(

very good point but i can see alot off lads trying it any way as the rules took to long to come out and there is people not ready what else can they do ????

Boguey001
04-02-12, 13:56
I dont understand why they are banning cutting the bulkhead, the have made cars with modified bulkheads almost invalueable overnight and why give the drivers of these cars such an advantage. :mad:

sideways boy
04-02-12, 14:04
Is this allowed? The impression I get is that the only bolt in cages allowed are fully fia approved non dash dodgers? Does this not mean that if you have a dash dodger and cut the two front legs and replace them it is no longer fia approved?? Confusion :-(

Who said anything about cutting.? What people are saying is to get two new front bars made up that go through the dash and that bolts on or is welded on properly to the rest of your existing cage. I cannot see how they could have a problem with this provided it is done properly with the right steel and joints.
I have looked hard everywhere and there is not actually anyone who makes a bolt in thru dash fia approved roll cage off the shelf for an s13 unless you get one custom made and bol@x to that if they think I am forking out for that. I am going getting two new front bars made up and if they dont like it they can shove their prodrift up their behind coz we all have driftfest now and we dont depend on them anymore.Thats my opnion on the matter anyway. Peace :cool:

MCNSPORT.com
04-02-12, 17:55
Oh the drama over 2 pieces of pipe

Falvey
04-02-12, 18:55
Who said anything about cutting.? What people are saying is to get two new front bars made up that go through the dash and that bolts on or is welded on properly to the rest of your existing cage. I cannot see how they could have a problem with this provided it is done properly with the right steel and joints.
I have looked hard everywhere and there is not actually anyone who makes a bolt in thru dash fia approved roll cage off the shelf for an s13 unless you get one custom made and bol@x to that if they think I am forking out for that. I am going getting two new front bars made up and if they dont like it they can shove their prodrift up their behind coz we all have driftfest now and we dont depend on them anymore.Thats my opnion on the matter anyway. Peace :cool:
Looks like I touched a sensitive spot lad :p relax, the rules are nothin to do with me, I'm just trying to get as much info as I can before I do anything with my own dash dodger, peace.

git
04-02-12, 19:38
Ok ok ok ok ok ok lads use yer well educated brains here, the problem ye have here is a question that you need to ask ,in the rules it states about a particular cage is only acceptable ,R I G H T ! (in john cleese voice) now go pick up the phony woney and nicely contact prodrift and im sure eitheir graham sarah or john will oblgingly advise you on how to cheaply and effectivley overcome the problem about making yez-ur dash doger a non dash dodger !!! and be acceptable to the rules......

And if you think out side the box john stone (THE NEW SCRUTINY MAN)is an extremely good fabricator as is the mc namara guys who are all involved in prodrift ,you could give them the job to do im sure at a fair price to keep your budget down ..........

YOURS, Mammy chris.........

Diesel-Dick
04-02-12, 19:47
Ok ok ok ok ok ok lads use yer well educated brains here, the problem ye have here is a question that you need to ask ,in the rules it states about a particular cage is only acceptable ,R I G H T ! (in john cleese voice) now go pick up the phony woney and nicely contact prodrift and im sure eitheir graham sarah or john will oblgingly advise you on how to cheaply and effectivley overcome the problem about making yez-ur dash doger a non dash dodger !!! and be acceptable to the rules......

And if you think out side the box john stone (THE NEW SCRUTINY MAN)is an extremely good fabricator as is the mc namara guys who are all involved in prodrift ,you could give them the job to do im sure at a fair price to keep your budget down ..........

YOURS, Mammy chris.........

shut up chris that would be the sensible thing to do! now everyone lets ignore him and get back to having an argument!! :o

barry180
04-02-12, 23:10
so two new legs are spot on then darren are they as i hav already done and bolted to the A bar is ok is it?

joey banana s14
04-02-12, 23:15
i love having a fully welded cage and watching everyone else freaking out HA HA

BStoneRacing
04-02-12, 23:20
I gave nearly €400 for a sparco open face helmet, wore it once at japfest, i cant use it now?? Thats a load a cock!

Prodrifter86
04-02-12, 23:26
i love having a fully welded cage and watching everyone else freaking out HA HA

hahahaha post of the day... :afro:

skinnynphats200
04-02-12, 23:29
This is the helmet that I bought a little over a year ago

http://www.murraymotorsport.ie/products/trophy--des-rally-Helmet

Its an absolute joke I can't use it, cost €500,

thats with the hans posts.

Prodrifter86
04-02-12, 23:34
This is the helmet that I bought a little over a year ago

http://www.murraymotorsport.ie/products/trophy--des-rally-Helmet

Its an absolute joke I can't use it, cost €500,

thats with the hans posts.

its a bit stupid that you can use those on a rally stage where u cud actually die. but u cant use it to skid around a cattle mart?:huh:

barry180
04-02-12, 23:39
I gave nearly €400 for a sparco open face helmet, wore it once at japfest, i cant use it now?? Thats a load a cock!its hard to win lads better off tied to a bulls tail and scuttered to death:p

joey banana s14
04-02-12, 23:39
its a bit stupid that you can use those on a rally stage where u cud actually die. but u cant use it to skid around a cattle mart?:huh:

skid around a cattle mart hahahaha very true tho

barry180
04-02-12, 23:45
well said mr daly roll on PD

Prodrifter86
05-02-12, 00:21
skid around a cattle mart hahahaha very true tho



hahahaha ino its a cruel way of saying it ! but its true

MCNSPORT.com
05-02-12, 13:30
so two new legs are spot on then darren are they as i hav already done and bolted to the A bar is ok is it?

Ask John....

scooby
05-02-12, 13:44
im sure if you wear a fireproof balaclava with open face helmet it should be good enough

skinnynphats200
05-02-12, 14:07
I'm going to ring tomorrow morning and find out are FIA approved open face helmets acceptable when wearing with a fireproof balaclava

JStone
05-02-12, 15:21
so two new legs are spot on then darren are they as i hav already done and bolted to the A bar is ok is it?

As long as its done properly I don't see a problem!

Dash dodgers are banned for very good reason, if you turn over the cage will fail at the dash bends

barry180
05-02-12, 15:40
As long as its done properly I don't see a problem!

Dash dodgers are banned for very good reason, if you turn over the cage will fail at the dash bends
thats sound cheers john just one more question dont want ta be wreckin ur head i put in one single door bar if i put another one underneath that do i need to brace it to the top bar? cheers john

Driftfest
05-02-12, 16:07
As long as its done properly I don't see a problem!

Dash dodgers are banned for very good reason, if you turn over the cage will fail at the dash bends
Was watchn top gear this morning when they were in south america they had dash dodgers in the 4 wheel drive jeeps with a small bar welded into cage at the bend any body else notice this? Can we sort out this problem soon as I know a lot of guys are under pressure ,R

JStone
05-02-12, 16:09
thats sound cheers john just one more question dont want ta be wreckin ur head i put in one single door bar if i put another one underneath that do i need to brace it to the top bar? cheers john

If there bent (ie NASCAR style) they must be braced, if the door bars are straight then it's not as important

barry180
05-02-12, 16:18
deadly sorted so thanks for your time john

JStone
05-02-12, 16:28
Was watchn top gear this morning when they were in south america they had dash dodgers in the 4 wheel drive jeeps with a small bar welded into cage at the bend any body else notice this? Can we sort out this problem soon as I know a lot of guys are under pressure ,R

Dash dodger cages are defenetly not allowed!

Few easy fixes as stated above already

Driftfest
05-02-12, 16:34
Thats very vague ,what is the fix for dash dodgers so? Out or in.

JStone
05-02-12, 16:39
Thats very vague ,what is the fix for dash dodgers so? Out or in.

If you already have a good bolt in cage with the front legs bent around the dash you can get two new ones made that run down the A-pillars and true the dash properly instead, cheap and easy fix to the problem!

Driftfest
05-02-12, 16:42
If you already have a good bolt in cage with the front legs bent around the dash you can get two new ones made that run down the A-pillars and true the dash properly instead, cheap and easy fix to the problem!

Thanks for that ,but do you have statistics to back up that dash dodgers fail under crash conditions?.If so where are they?

JStone
05-02-12, 17:06
Thanks for that ,but do you have statistics to back up that dash dodgers fail under crash conditions?.If so where are they?


If you have any problems regarding the saftey regulations for prodrift you should email info@prodriftseries.com

Thanks,

Driftfest
05-02-12, 17:11
If you have any problems regarding the saftey regulations for prodrift you should email info@prodriftseries.com

Thanks,
Sorry dont mean to be awkward but I dont understand why dash dodgers can fail,believe me I need to know asap.

Cooldrft
05-02-12, 17:15
John do you need 2 parallel or "x" door bars if there is side impact bars in the stock doors ?

JStone
05-02-12, 17:38
Sorry dont mean to be awkward but I dont understand why dash dodgers can fail,believe me I need to know asap.

They fail because in the event of the car turning over the vertical load on the a-pillar bar causes it to buckle were the bar is bent into an S shape around the dash, this usualy results in the roof being pressed down on top of the drivers head. Most Motorsport now requires an a-pillar support bar even when using a proper true dash bar,

here's a link to the MSA regs on the issue

http://www.racingexposure.com/blog/2011/03/msa-issues-immediate-roll-cage-regulation-amendment/


John do you need 2 parallel or "x" door bars if there is side impact bars in the stock doors ?

Yes you will need two bars even with stock doors

chrisb
05-02-12, 17:46
ignition steering lock just applies to the lock yes? so i can still use the ignition and key start aslong as the lock is disabled?

JStone
05-02-12, 17:50
ignition steering lock just applies to the lock yes? so i can still use the ignition and key start aslong as the lock is disabled?

Correct :)

keith-n
05-02-12, 18:25
If you have any problems regarding the saftey regulations for prodrift you should email info@prodriftseries.com

Thanks,

Don't bother, the fuckers dont respond to emails.

ste
05-02-12, 19:38
Can you enlighten us on the fia approved open face helmets please John??

JStone
05-02-12, 20:36
Can you enlighten us on the fia approved open face helmets please John??

Not at the moment but I'll find out tomorrow and post it up here.

ste
05-02-12, 20:57
cheers john appreciate it

tweek
05-02-12, 21:27
@jstone in the regs it says that a wrap around dash dodger is not aloud does that mean that a dash dodger that does not wrap around the dash will pass?Cages like this made by safety devices for ae86s and mk11 escorts pass scrutiny for rallying these type cages are legal for BDC,Edc and also time attack in the uk i am not having a go at you but i really fail to see how these cages are no good for prodrift
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm183/tweek1984/dashdodge.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm183/tweek1984/rollcagedashdodge.jpg
I really can't see them buckling under a roof impact

tweek
05-02-12, 21:28
Above pics are from a s13

JStone
05-02-12, 22:17
@jstone in the regs it says that a wrap around dash dodger is not aloud does that mean that a dash dodger that does not wrap around the dash will pass?Cages like this made by safety devices for ae86s and mk11 escorts pass scrutiny for rallying these type cages are legal for BDC,Edc and also time attack in the uk i am not having a go at you but i really fail to see how these cages are no good for prodrift
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm183/tweek1984/dashdodge.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm183/tweek1984/rollcagedashdodge.jpg
I really can't see them buckling under a roof impact

I don't see any problem with that cage to be honest, the term "dash dodger" is normally associated with the type of cage that has 4 or 5 bends in the a-pillar bar which makes an S shape around the dash,

the type of cage you used as an example has only 2 bends in the front leg and would be fine as long as it has door bars.

tweek
05-02-12, 22:26
I don't see any problem with that cage to be honest, the term "dash dodger" is normally associated with the type of cage that has 4 or 5 bends in the a-pillar bar which makes an S shape around the dash,

the type of cage you used as an example has only 2 bends in the front leg and would be fine as long as it has door bars.
Nice one thanks for the reply now if we were only aloud to keep our roof lining i would be delighted getting in to car early in the morning with condensation dripping off the roof is a pain in the ass

Dunnedriftin
05-02-12, 22:34
helmet thing sounds quiet stupid as there fia approved & used in rallyin!! now fookd if i remember if iv got a x on the door bars of the skyline? Was only at it 2 days ago and i forget..

B&G Extreme Drifting
06-02-12, 12:36
helmet thing sounds quiet stupid as there fia approved & used in rallyin!! now fookd if i remember if iv got a x on the door bars of the skyline? Was only at it 2 days ago and i forget..
is x needed at doors? is the 1 bar not allowed this year?

calicagesracing
06-02-12, 15:40
If you already have a good bolt in cage with the front legs bent around the dash you can get two new ones made that run down the A-pillars and true the dash properly instead, cheap and easy fix to the problem!

Just to add to that a lot of dash dodger type cages do not have the required thickness of main hoop ie: 45mm x 2.5mm or 50mm x 2mm

Most d/d main hoops I've seen are around 38mm!

grimix180
06-02-12, 15:45
what are ye expectin an army tank to go in ur door this whole cage thing is a complete load of bollox. double door bars sure u dont need them in a rally car that goes thru a wood at 100 mph never mind a drift car that goes around a car park. its all just a money racket . and as for dash dodgers id rather that than a weld in cage that some sledger welded in in his shed . there is a reason why all these companys who make these cages have to pay huge insurances on thier products.and as for the mike fitz accident if anyone noticed the cage wasnt the problem the seat clearly shifted long before the cage moved. tbh common sense is not cumin into this at all ,all the talk is bout cages what about fire and all is specified is a 1l handheld fire extinguisher or whatever which tbh wouldn put out a cigarette if they are so concerned about safety they should be making plumbed in extinguishers mandatory as would prob be a better safety initiative than all this bullshit on cages either that or run fia rules which is expensive but would eliminate any indiscretions on rules
jus my 2 cents

calicagesracing
06-02-12, 16:03
what are ye expectin an army tank to go in ur door this whole cage thing is a complete load of bollox. double door bars sure u dont need them in a rally car that goes thru a wood at 100 mph never mind a drift car that goes around a car park. its all just a money racket . and as for dash dodgers id rather that than a weld in cage that some sledger welded in in his shed . there is a reason why all these companys who make these cages have to pay huge insurances on thier products

Army tank, maybe not but the next time your watching formula d have a look at what the back of an 86 does to matt powers door in the opening credits!!

Closer to home see the japspeed skylines crashing into each other in silverstone

I take your points on fire extinguishers and home brew cages though. A 1kg wouldn't cool my arse after a hot curry

Robbie Daly Ps13
06-02-12, 16:12
Nice one thanks for the reply now if we were only aloud to keep our roof lining i would be delighted getting in to car early in the morning with condensation dripping off the roof is a pain in the ass


Lad you couldn't leave it it in would be a complete fire hazzard and we'v all seen a few fires over the years...!



what are ye expectin an army tank to go in ur door this whole cage thing is a complete load of bollox. double door bars sure u dont need them in a rally car that goes thru a wood at 100 mph never mind a drift car that goes around a car park. its all just a money racket . and as for dash dodgers id rather that than a weld in cage that some sledger welded in in his shed . there is a reason why all these companys who make these cages have to pay huge insurances on thier products.and as for the mike fitz accident if anyone noticed the cage wasnt the problem the seat clearly shifted long before the cage moved. tbh common sense is not cumin into this at all ,all the talk is bout cages what about fire and all is specified is a 1l handheld fire extinguisher or whatever which tbh wouldn put out a cigarette if they are so concerned about safety they should be making plumbed in extinguishers mandatory as would prob be a better safety initiative than all this bullshit on cages either that or run fia rules which is expensive but would eliminate any indiscretions on rules
jus my 2 cents

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU CLOWN...! The reason Mike Fitz's floor came in on him because the death dodger as so far back...! If the cages was a proper weld in the cage would have been far more forward and protected him...!

Iv never seen such a pack of crying fuckers in all my life...! The rules are the rules lads and in any motorsport the 1st priorty is to protect the driver...! Why wait around till someone gets seriously injured or dies and the decide to chage the rules...! At the end of the day there looking out for you the driver...!

You don't have to do prodrift and if you don't like the rules then don't do it...! Even doh there a bit late good job on prodrifts behalf for steeping up the game...! Heres to a great seasons drifting now shut up and get on with it...!

ste
06-02-12, 16:54
Daaannnngggg bobby no balls be gettin all angry up in here!!!!

But I agree with ya safety is number 1

juice
06-02-12, 17:24
My cage looks like this, Same as the image on the prodrift regs:


http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/juice110387/user5974_pic4250_1260816910.jpg



It's OMP through dash

Do I have to add another door bar???

Chuck_g
06-02-12, 17:57
Id have to agree with that Daly chap here, safety is PD's number one issue here, be it that they actually give a shit or maybe its for insurance purposes but they have set the rules, now lets adhere to them. Is a persons life not worth an extra few pound?

Anyway, quick question. I plan on doing dual horizontal bars with 3 brace bars between, nascar style i think. How high does the top bar need to be to suit regs? Cheers

tweek
06-02-12, 19:30
@robbie daly by the time the roof lining caught fire you would be fairly crispy I think the implementation of having to have a fuse no more than a foot on the positive feed from a relocated battery would be more important.....back to the cages
http://www.driftireland.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16068&page=2&highlight=Car+bent+around+it
One of two things happened the cage saved him a bit or it wasnt bolted to the floor properly and pulled the nuts through

jamie180sx
06-02-12, 20:00
the cage in my one 180sx is a dash dogger,i have added extra bars to mine by putting in door bars and welding a bar to where it goes around the dash back to the door bar, which joins back to the A bar and extra bars to support it,and i added plates to the floor top and bottom with big bolts ect,and properly fastened...i do believe this cage is very strong and will take a bang as good as most cages as its well made and extra bracing supports everywhere it might give....but will change the dashdogger as its a pain to get in and out off,,well thats my excuse :grin:
But im happy to see that PD are allowing Bolt in cages which means i can modify my own which will not be as exspensive as purchasing a full weld in cage,so atleast they met us half way on the situation,and not put us to huge exspensive,,,

on the whole Weld in Vs Bolt in cage arguement,,i do agree that the ultimate job is to purchase a full weld in cage properly designed with out question,but in saying that there is some very well made bolt in cages available,,,i do think that plumbed in fire extinguishers is something that should be in the rules at this stage as imo is one of the most important things that is overlooked even more so over the cages,

the rules have been set by pd and at this stage and are final,they have met us in some way with the cages so tis time to get to work,,we were exspecting alot worse a few months back,as for the open face helmot that rule as been in with years but maybe not been enforced as strictly as some have gotton away with it,,,maybe it you wear a fia approved ballyclava job it might be ok,ask graham as he is a sound guy and very approchable with regards to all this,

so no point in giving out bout it and time to get to it,,we complained long enough for rules and now we have them so lets get busy :cool:

B&G Extreme Drifting
07-02-12, 00:29
An open helmet is a joke may as well wear no helmet whoever came up with it didn't have a brain, yea better visibility but if there was a 100mph impact there be a serious messed up face to go with it. BAN THEM fire proof mask won't do jack shit either

B.Egan
07-02-12, 00:36
Just wondering John. If a 1 layer fireproof suit is all thats required, and a fireproof vest. Then would a 3 layer suit be ok just on its own? Surely offers more overall protection? Not a big deal I know..

Driftfest
07-02-12, 07:37
An open helmet is a joke may as well wear no helmet whoever came up with it didn't have a brain, yea better visibility but if there was a 100mph impact there be a serious messed up face to go with it. BAN THEM fire proof mask won't do jack shit either
Ive been rallying for years and always wore a peltor open face ,found them more comfortable and never had a problem at scrutiny do you know I think this helmet thing is down to image,R

B&G Extreme Drifting
07-02-12, 10:28
Ive been rallying for years and always wore a peltor open face ,found them more comfortable and never had a problem at scrutiny do you know I think this helmet thing is down to image,R
Yea thats well and good man but we r talking about safety here, and you have even said its more comfortable yourself, I said visibility is prob that bit better. But my point is a bad impact and the front window smashes and bits are flying about the car or god forbid a part comes of an opponents car straight through the window and for your face/head my question is are them helmets goin to save you?? NO THEY ARE NOT!! If your gonna say that is never gonna happen you would be in denial. Never say never expect the unexpected. again difference of opinion I never told you not to wear it Im not like that your decision but me myself I think there as good as having a pot on your head. Full helment or none!

ste
07-02-12, 11:20
Ur sayin bout things possibly hittin ya in the face, do you have ur visor down all the time when u drive

git
07-02-12, 11:28
I'm just here to party :laugh::laugh:

B&G Extreme Drifting
07-02-12, 11:28
Ur sayin bout things possibly hittin ya in the face, do you have ur visor down all the time when u drive
I will do Steve yea being honest I had moto x lid, iv different lid now full protection with visor. Look man all I m saying is they dont protect face from injury that is all wear away lads

Robbie Daly Ps13
07-02-12, 11:32
Ur sayin bout things possibly hittin ya in the face, do you have ur visor down all the time when u drive

In all fairness ste no matter what hits you on your block head it couldn't make you much uglier than u already are....! If I was u id rock on with the open face.... :P

git
07-02-12, 11:36
In all fairness ste no matter what hits you on your block head it couldn't make you much uglier than u already are....! If I was u id rock on with the open face.... :P

We have to get a like button !!!hahahahahaha

decobyrne106
08-02-12, 00:17
right reading what comments came up so far heres what i have to say.

Dash doger cages (like john explained) are weak at the s bend around the dash and make an easy crumple zone. mike fitz's dash moved back with the floor also so it's a weakpoint at the bottom to.

fire extinguishers etc imo i would have a handheld there for my own sake but a plumbed in is not needed but optional. being there is more than enough fire extinguishers around the area.

where plumed in is needed in rallying is that there's not a marshal at every corner!
there is a couple of good points tho comparing these regs to rallying but there is some things to take into consideration.

as for the helmets. if your window is down it doesn't take a crash to get debris in the face! tires, stones, bumpers, fibregalss etc. at the end of the day it's your safety on the line. if anything no1 would give a fuck as to your safety so i'd appreciate the fact there is!

Diesel-Dick
08-02-12, 00:41
jaaaaaysus who pissed in bob's tea!? the way sum lads are goin on bout safety they must walk around the place in bubble wrap everyday and wear fire proof gear and helmet driving there daily cars to work :o u could be in a 100mph (2 cars going 50mph head on) collision brining ur granny to mass but u dont put a cage and harness in ur daily car :p but all jokes aside all this 'what if' is a load of shit, practice days are still drifting and just as dangerous and theres no need for fire proof anything or a cage, why do lads get on there high horse bout safety just because its 'prodrift'??? id consider a practice day at mondello alot more dangerous then prodrift at a small track like ennis! if the safety preachers are so concerned maybe they should start wearing all the fire proof gear at practice days and not just prodrift, or else come off there high horses, at the end of the day drifting is suppose to be fun and im jus here to party in git's pants! :kiss:

Derk
08-02-12, 00:52
jaaaaaysus who pissed in bob's tea!? the way sum lads are goin on bout safety they must walk around the place in bubble wrap everyday and wear fire proof gear and helmet driving there daily cars to work :o u could be in a 100mph (2 cars going 50mph head on) collision brining ur granny to mass but u dont put a cage and harness in ur daily car :p but all jokes aside all this 'what if' is a load of shit, practice days are still drifting and just as dangerous and theres no need for fire proof anything or a cage, why do lads get on there high horse bout safety just because its 'prodrift'??? id consider a practice day at mondello alot more dangerous then prodrift at a small track like ennis! if the safety preachers are so concerned maybe they should start wearing all the fire proof gear at practice days and not just prodrift, or else come off there high horses, at the end of the day drifting is suppose to be fun and im jus here to party in git's pants! :kiss:

Makes sense to me... Well said Mr. Dick ;)

Chuck_g
08-02-12, 01:06
Anyone wanna answer my question?

decobyrne106
08-02-12, 01:40
just read it there. no higher than half the hight of the door car (or bottom of the door to the window)

DaveM-sport
08-02-12, 02:01
Ten pages giving out about two bars and helmets???

Only rule I'm abit annoyed about is the bulkhead rule as its pretty much the only one that will make a big change to the cars and may be alittle unfair advantage to older cars but when there's so many other series going that way now, I suppose it doesn't make any odds and at least you can enter them too rather than being tied to just one.

I hope it doesn't start to reduce the amount of variety on track though with interesting engines and thinking outside the box rather than just all SR20s with silly money spent on them

Driftfest
08-02-12, 08:01
Ten pages giving out about two bars and helmets???

Only rule I'm abit annoyed about is the bulkhead rule as its pretty much the only one that will make a big change to the cars and may be alittle unfair advantage to older cars but when there's so many other series going that way now, I suppose it doesn't make any odds and at least you can enter them too rather than being tied to just one.

I hope it doesn't start to reduce the amount of variety on track though with interesting engines and thinking outside the box rather than just all SR20s with silly money spent on them
Well said dave ,you always come out with the best quotes,Im thinking of making you my tech minister/td pays well?ha ha

tweek
08-02-12, 08:27
Anyone wanna answer my question?
No chuck your bum doesn't look big in a race suit ;-)

Mick K
08-02-12, 09:21
And a man can't cum inside another man Charles

Stevo
08-02-12, 11:58
Anyone wanna answer my question?

Ive no problem with you gargling before you swallow young man :kiss:

twailbait
08-02-12, 13:04
jaaaaaysus who pissed in bob's tea!? the way sum lads are goin on bout safety they must walk around the place in bubble wrap everyday and wear fire proof gear and helmet driving there daily cars to work :o u could be in a 100mph (2 cars going 50mph head on) collision brining ur granny to mass but u dont put a cage and harness in ur daily car :p but all jokes aside all this 'what if' is a load of shit, practice days are still drifting and just as dangerous and theres no need for fire proof anything or a cage, why do lads get on there high horse bout safety just because its 'prodrift'??? id consider a practice day at mondello alot more dangerous then prodrift at a small track like ennis! if the safety preachers are so concerned maybe they should start wearing all the fire proof gear at practice days and not just prodrift, or else come off there high horses, at the end of the day drifting is suppose to be fun and im jus here to party in git's pants! :kiss:

Practice days are twice as dangerous as competing!

Much higher speeds as you can use the whole straight at mondelo, 20 cars on track at once! No scrutiny on cars!

Jay Rockett
08-02-12, 13:54
Practice days are twice as dangerous as competing!

Much higher speeds as you can use the whole straight at mondelo, 20 cars on track at once! No scrutiny on cars!

Not necessarily!

In Mondello you have gravel-traps, run-offs etc. In competition you have barriers and walls! Speed down the main straight and extra cars on track is the only added danger, but you can back off and give space to avoid incidents! In competition you HAVE to trust the driver infront and enter the first corner as fast as they do and as close to they're door as you can get! If either driver messes up you can end up putting your car straight into the leading cars seat, which is why the door bar rule has changed to 2 bars for example!

B&G Extreme Drifting
08-02-12, 15:41
Ten pages giving out about two bars and helmets???

Only rule I'm abit annoyed about is the bulkhead rule as its pretty much the only one that will make a big change to the cars and may be alittle unfair advantage to older cars but when there's so many other series going that way now, I suppose it doesn't make any odds and at least you can enter them too rather than being tied to just one.

I hope it doesn't start to reduce the amount of variety on track though with interesting engines and thinking outside the box rather than just all SR20s with silly money spent on them
good point but unfortunately unless you spend money generally not much hope with the yokes out there these 500,600,700,800bhp cars 200bhp is a thing of the past! dont jump on me a very talented person with 200-250bhp can give it a good go but serious what hope have they, up the straight too a loo, not just here in ire, eng and the rest europe, america is exact the same. as the saying goes not smoke no poke

B&G Extreme Drifting
08-02-12, 15:43
Not necessarily!

In Mondello you have gravel-traps, run-offs etc. In competition you have barriers and walls! Speed down the main straight and extra cars on track is the only added danger, but you can back off and give space to avoid incidents! In competition you HAVE to trust the driver infront and enter the first corner as fast as they do and as close to they're door as you can get! If either driver messes up you can end up putting your car straight into the leading cars seat, which is why the door bar rule has changed to 2 bars for example!
great point Jay and very easy to understand why they want the extra bar on door :)

JStone
08-02-12, 21:19
is x needed at doors? is the 1 bar not allowed this year?

no you'll need two bars!




My cage looks like this, Same as the image on the prodrift regs:


http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/juice110387/user5974_pic4250_1260816910.jpg



It's OMP through dash

Do I have to add another door bar???

yep


Id have to agree with that Daly chap here, safety is PD's number one issue here, be it that they actually give a shit or maybe its for insurance purposes but they have set the rules, now lets adhere to them. Is a persons life not worth an extra few pound?

Anyway, quick question. I plan on doing dual horizontal bars with 3 brace bars between, nascar style i think. How high does the top bar need to be to suit regs? Cheers

as high as possible but no higher than half the total hight of the door opening


Just wondering John. If a 1 layer fireproof suit is all thats required, and a fireproof vest. Then would a 3 layer suit be ok just on its own? Surely offers more overall protection? Not a big deal I know..

as long as you dont wear any man made fibres under it you should be ok, id still recommend wearing the vest if at all possible


jaaaaaysus who pissed in bob's tea!? the way sum lads are goin on bout safety they must walk around the place in bubble wrap everyday and wear fire proof gear and helmet driving there daily cars to work :o u could be in a 100mph (2 cars going 50mph head on) collision brining ur granny to mass but u dont put a cage and harness in ur daily car :p but all jokes aside all this 'what if' is a load of shit, practice days are still drifting and just as dangerous and theres no need for fire proof anything or a cage, why do lads get on there high horse bout safety just because its 'prodrift'??? id consider a practice day at mondello alot more dangerous then prodrift at a small track like ennis! if the safety preachers are so concerned maybe they should start wearing all the fire proof gear at practice days and not just prodrift, or else come off there high horses, at the end of the day drifting is suppose to be fun and im jus here to party in git's pants! :kiss:

two cars in a head on at 50mph is not the same as a 100mph crash ;)



Not necessarily!

In Mondello you have gravel-traps, run-offs etc. In competition you have barriers and walls! Speed down the main straight and extra cars on track is the only added danger, but you can back off and give space to avoid incidents! In competition you HAVE to trust the driver infront and enter the first corner as fast as they do and as close to they're door as you can get! If either driver messes up you can end up putting your car straight into the leading cars seat, which is why the door bar rule has changed to 2 bars for example!

exactly jay,

also open faced helmet is ok if worn with a fire proof balaclava.

B&G Extreme Drifting
08-02-12, 23:54
no you'll need two bars!





yep



as high as possible but no higher than half the total hight of the door opening



as long as you dont wear any man made fibres under it you should be ok, id still recommend wearing the vest if at all possible



two cars in a head on at 50mph is not the same as a 100mph crash ;)




exactly jay,

also open faced helmet is ok if worn with a fire proof balaclava.
Cool John thanks for the reply.

Chuck_g
09-02-12, 01:12
No chuck your bum doesn't look big in a race suit ;-)

Yes it seriously does :P


And a man can't cum inside another man Charles

Fact!! Il have some new fun facts for this years Briefing...!


Ive no problem with you gargling before you swallow young man :kiss:

Sexy :wink:

Okay, i think i get how high they are meant to be.......just hope il still be able to get into the car with my big arse and gammy leg.....:o

Greg
09-02-12, 02:29
So a cage like this will be fine? I would rather this style because I really don't want to hack lumps out of my dash(sad, I know).


http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm183/tweek1984/dashdodge.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm183/tweek1984/rollcagedashdodge.jpg

alan180sx
09-02-12, 16:38
Am wonderin how far forward the x in the door bar can be. lookin at the bar i already ave in car to make it an X the X wil b more to the front half of the door..

is this acceptable

garyae86
09-02-12, 20:05
Can any one please tell me if your tunnel and middle off your bulk head is cut out and re model is this allowed or will it pass pro-drift regs ???

DaveM-sport
10-02-12, 02:47
good point but unfortunately unless you spend money generally not much hope with the yokes out there these 500,600,700,800bhp cars 200bhp is a thing of the past! dont jump on me a very talented person with 200-250bhp can give it a good go but serious what hope have they, up the straight too a loo, not just here in ire, eng and the rest europe, america is exact the same. as the saying goes not smoke no poke

Exactly my point...

Big straight six turbos, V8s, V10s etc can all have 500-800bhp in interesting and light cars and be very capable if positioned right for balance.
Without cutting the bulkhead, I can't really see any of those cars being very competitive against the regular S-bodys etc unless money is poured into the bottom of an SR money pit.
No offence to anybody but I really don't want to see or more importantly hear a full grid of SR powered yokes :D

It's still not the end of the world by all accounts though, not being able to cut the bulkhead also opens more competitive series for drivers if they want to do more than just pro-drift with a certain car too of course such as BDC, ITCC etc as rules are already in place there.

DaveM-sport
10-02-12, 02:52
jdriving there daily cars to work :o u could be in a 100mph (2 cars going 50mph head on) collision brining ur granny to mass but u dont put a cage and harness in ur daily car :p

Two cars at 50mph head on would in most cases be alot kinder to the occupants than a 100mph collision into a solid immovable object ;)

They probably would still all be dead either way though if they have a shitty cage and race gear however :D


So a cage like this will be fine? I would rather this style because I really don't want to hack lumps out of my dash(sad, I know).

Definitely not! a Dash dodger would be safer than that...

If you have an off that doesn't even end up in rolling the car, you could still hit a wall hard enough with the front of the car and send the front wheel back into the footwell.

If you hit the wall hard enough, the wheel will keep going until it pushes enough parts out of the way until the energy is absorbed... your legs being one of them!
It'll be stopped by the leg of the cage but your feet will still be taken out before it gets that far.

But if the dash is more valuable than not being in a wheelchair, then fire away obviously :D

Greg
10-02-12, 05:18
The effects of a frontal impact had crossed my mind alright, but I was thinking could I not just run a bar from where it would clear the dash from the front leg into the footwell?

garyae86
10-02-12, 11:01
can any one shead light on my bulk head matter :o as the prodrift offices are closed till the 17th

Boguey001
10-02-12, 11:30
can any one shead light on my bulk head matter :o as the prodrift offices are closed till the 17th

As far as i know lad the car Doesnt have to be finished to be logged so I'd reckon it would be ok but im not sure atal about that.

200sx
10-02-12, 11:34
Can any one please tell me if your tunnel and middle off your bulk head is cut out and re model is this allowed or will it pass pro-drift regs ???Bulk head modification is allowed but is being outlawed in 2013

B&G Extreme Drifting
10-02-12, 12:12
Bulk head modification is allowed but is being outlawed in 2013
jaysus thats mad so what bout say silvias that have make bigger hole in bulk for say rb25 box and the likes??

Boguey001
10-02-12, 12:12
Bulk head modification is allowed but is being outlawed in 2013

Its been outlawed this year lad according to the regs?

chrisb
10-02-12, 12:25
jaysus thats mad so what bout say silvias that have make bigger hole in bulk for say rb25 box and the likes??

regs say tunnel modification is permited

B&G Extreme Drifting
10-02-12, 12:33
regs say tunnel modification is permited
ahh that aint so bad so.... :)

B&G Extreme Drifting
10-02-12, 12:37
Exactly my point...

Big straight six turbos, V8s, V10s etc can all have 500-800bhp in interesting and light cars and be very capable if positioned right for balance.
Without cutting the bulkhead, I can't really see any of those cars being very competitive against the regular S-bodys etc unless money is poured into the bottom of an SR money pit.
No offence to anybody but I really don't want to see or more importantly hear a full grid of SR powered yokes :D

It's still not the end of the world by all accounts though, not being able to cut the bulkhead also opens more competitive series for drivers if they want to do more than just pro-drift with a certain car too of course such as BDC, ITCC etc as rules are already in place there.
Iv good feeling it be more 6cylinders than usual so dont worry bout that, rb's 1jz-2jz and hopefully there be 2-3 raw v8 yup that would be serious, and I jizzed in my pants lol :) :)

garyae86
10-02-12, 21:33
Thanks for this info lads

200sx
10-02-12, 23:12
That's what I was told by a member off prodrift staff only a few days ago..bulkheads are ok this year but are being outlawed in 2013

LAGGER
13-02-12, 19:51
Good to see the rules out, The Bulkhead issue needs to be cleared up

It seems to me that if the car is logged before 15 April with a modified bulkhead then the car is ok for PD for good

This creates an unfair advantage

alan180sx
15-02-12, 17:06
is an alluminium battery box acceptable????????????????????

LAGGER
21-02-12, 13:00
Is anyone going to clear up the bulkhead issue?

fitzer
21-02-12, 19:25
would the fake takata harnesses that you can get out of redpower motorsport be alright to use????

fitzer
21-02-12, 19:37
and this is probly a stupid question but are welded diffs allowed?:confused:

DaveM-sport
23-02-12, 00:05
and this is probly a stupid question but are welded diffs allowed?:confused:

Yeah, pretty stupid question alright! :rolleyes:

bwreilly
23-02-12, 11:44
Yeah, pretty stupid question alright! :rolleyes:

hahahaha bad man, yes of course they are haha

LAGGER
23-02-12, 13:54
Yeah, pretty stupid question alright! :rolleyes:

Better than half the stupid shit you go on about

fitzer
23-02-12, 17:48
hmm i tought so :rolleyes: haha

duane-drift
01-03-12, 09:41
is the wisefab drift kit aloud for prodrift this year??:(

git
01-03-12, 11:37
is the wisefab drift kit aloud for prodrift this year??:(

Ohhhh the million dollar question haha

JStone
02-03-12, 09:03
Is anyone going to clear up the bulkhead issue?

If the car is logged at the start of this year it can run for 2012



is the wisefab drift kit aloud for prodrift this year??:(

No the wisefab kit is outside regs for this year.

Cooldrft
02-03-12, 23:46
Do you need a battery box if you use a Varley red top battery ?

Spec on them.
• Maintenance free, sealed construction
• No topping up
• Can be installed upright or on a side
• Minimal risk of electrolyte leakage
if the outer case is damaged.
• Classified as non-spillable, non-hazardous
for transport

bart
10-03-12, 15:56
Any dates for logging yet?

juice
10-03-12, 16:48
Those wisefab kits are mental

alan180sx
11-03-12, 12:50
is a fire vest needed if you ave a double layer race suit

git
11-03-12, 16:11
is a fire vest needed if you ave a double layer race suit

You'll need a fire vest alright for mappin ....BOOM !!!!

MissSuz
11-03-12, 16:29
You'll need a fire vest alright for mappin ....BOOM !!!!

Harsh Chris...

Whats the Story with everyone ganging up on Al these last few days?!

What have you done Al????!



Poor Alan :(

Diesel-Dick
11-03-12, 23:00
you'll need a fire vest alright for mappin ....boom !!!!

high 5!!!!! :D

Chuck_g
28-03-12, 13:18
Regarding Door Bars. Must we have an X on both driver and passenger sides??

Thanks

duane-drift
05-04-12, 21:39
cant wait

duane-drift
05-04-12, 21:39
so who's competing for round 1
duane mckeever:afro:

tamtaf
09-04-12, 19:30
Why is the wisefab kit not allowed dude??

aka pete
09-04-12, 21:38
Wud luv a wee run round ennis but bust diff today so need one asap 3.9/4.1 (6bolt) for 180
Is Sean open tomoro duane?

duane-drift
09-04-12, 23:23
sean is opened we have a diff here for a 180:)

aka pete
10-04-12, 07:54
Sound I'll give him a call
I've a 4.6 here, I take it that'd be too short for ennis yeah?

dR Dan
10-04-12, 15:08
Why is the wisefab kit not allowed dude??

Id imagine ProDrift dont wanna go back to the days of Guys running hugemongous angle and smoke but having Nana pass them in her corsa.
And would rather see drivers relying on actual talent rather then mechanical hocus pocus.. Thats imo obviously.

juice
10-04-12, 16:12
Regarding Door Bars. Must we have an X on both driver and passenger sides??

Thanks

Any answer to this?????

Also can the drivers seat not be on sliders this year???

Chuck_g
10-04-12, 16:37
Any answer to this?????

Also can the drivers seat not be on sliders this year???

Yup, we must have one on both sides

180sx drifter
11-04-12, 02:21
Why is the wisefab kit not allowed dude??

im pretty sure its cos this kit moves the strut points for the coilover..

duane-drift
11-04-12, 17:42
this wisefab kit woudnt slow you down look at the wisefab :confused:cars and there is nothing slow about them

DaveM-sport
11-04-12, 19:16
If you allow the wisefab kit, the rule about the unibody inside the oem suspension mountings staying the same is pretty much irrelevant.
It's a thousand euro plus kit too so it's also probably an attempt to keep costs down and keeping the competition competitive by driver talent and people's own skills at home setting the car up etc rather than cheque book builds allowing people to run away with it (this isn't directed at anybody btw)

Most of the top cars seem to have plenty of lock at the moment anyway to pull off good runs. Backwards entries and all that are great but much more impressive when pulled off every once and a while rather than every single run by anybody. PD want twin battles as close as possible too so loads of big entries etc might make that take a step backwards.

Beside, somebody with 800bhp should hardly be getting hung up about not being able to use the kit :p

I'd prefer to see somebody with great driver talent and home built do very well in sacrifice of a little angle and smoke rather than something built from a shopping list and masking somebody with less talent. But that's just my take on it :)