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s15_spec_r
19-01-11, 19:45
what ecu would ye recommend? like everyone im on a budget so i dont wanna be forkin out serious grade for the ecu and then get me eyes takin outa me head to get it re-mapped,
the car is only basic enough spec, FMIC, filter, walbro, 550 injectors, elbow, exhaust,
i was gonna go nistune but id prefer a standalone and a proper RR setup......
Hks f-com iS. Great unit, keenly priced and i think Tdp are doin a special on mapping this month
s15_spec_r
19-01-11, 19:57
cheers mick, have been onto robbie alryt just waiting on em to get back to me,
no point mapping that unless you uprate the turbo. . . . .
s15_spec_r
19-01-11, 20:40
care to explain?
Aren't they Ceramic bladed turbos and only rated to a bar or there abouts
Should see around 240-250 on standard tubby once its in decent condion
why wouldnt he map it?, it will be 20-30 brake extra that he had before!:confused: always scope for bigger turbo down the line.
bubble1984
19-01-11, 21:01
i was gonna go nistune but id prefer a standalone and a proper RR setup......
nistune is same as a standalone sure, fully programmable, as good as and better than power fc in my opinion. i sold my ap engineering rb20 power fc , to get a nistune instead.
just my 2 cents worth
s15_spec_r
19-01-11, 21:02
yeah they ceramic alryt tweek, i dont even know if they will hold a bar though, dont really have the grade to buy another expensive turbo, just wanted to lob in the bigger injectors and get it re-mapped make her a bit more lively,
are you runnin an aftermarket ecu micko?
Yeah its the Fcon iS. It is only a piggyback but does the job rightly. Good bang for buck. Would run an Fcon gold if money was more plentyful!lol
Go hx30 I know where there is one for sale.nistune is the best bang for buck out there and miles safer than powerfc in my opinion
When you say standalone what do you mean omex link motec etc??
s15_spec_r
19-01-11, 21:22
Go hx30 I know where there is one for sale.nistune is the best bang for buck out there and miles safer than powerfc in my opinion
When you say standalone what do you mean omex link motec etc??
yeah t.j thats what i meant, hks fcon/omex/motec that type of a jobbie, i reckon il just go the nistune route ta fook, once its mapped and runnin sound thats all i want, i change my mind like the weather haha
In that case it would be very costly to go that route I'm doing it at the moment with the track car and it is fairly expensive when you add it all up.you'd have a nice turbo for the price of it
s15_spec_r
19-01-11, 21:40
yeh i know what yer sayin, what ecu ya running on the track car? much monies on that hx30 outa curiosity? pm if ya want
driftescort
19-01-11, 22:34
On a budget, Nistune, Simples.
nistune
ask calicages racing on here for a spin of his the next day in portlaoise same kinda setup as u on the car
btw evo injectors will fit into your car and r 560s if u havent already bought the 550s
i got my8 for 70euro deleived
s15_spec_r
20-01-11, 08:11
hav a set of sard ones here on the rail. Gud info to know tho podge. Wuda saved myself a few squid.
Bradley_Motorworks
21-01-11, 21:02
I can do you a link G4 plugin £800 then £400 to map or a Nistune supplied fitted and mapped on the rollers £580ish
stiv does nistune supplied and mapped 450 euro
sorry for hijack but cud someone explain how and what the nistune are actually adjusting??
sorry for hijack but cud someone explain how and what the nistune are actually adjusting??
http://www.nistune.com/
have a read
calicagesracing
24-01-11, 10:23
That setup saw around the 300bhp mark on my rb20 running on e85 at 1 bar boost with a nistune chip by Stiv. Expect to see less on 95 Ron but you'll still have a nice jump up from standard.
The ceramic blade turbo is rated to 0.8 bar. You will be taking a chance at 1 bar but there's no power at 0.8!
s15_spec_r
25-01-11, 09:44
did you run standard ceramic turbo lad? I myt pick up a standard rb25 turbo coz my one has a bit of play so a good condition rb25 might handle the boost better.
calicagesracing
25-01-11, 11:34
Ya standard rb20 tubby. I've had a few different turbos on it now but the 20 turbo is sound. S15 and 2871r bb turbos blew in minutes due to oil surge problems but the 20 turbo is still going strong
300 is not great with an ecu and a bar of boost,, the boss (Robbie TDP) got 288fbhp 250whp and 290ft/lb out of my near standard 32 yesterday at .9 bar,, the car has a boost controller, fuel controller, exhaust, filter and front mount and that's it!!! Standard other than that,,, a fpr and adj actuator would do same job as the controllers and cheaper it's just they were in the car when I bought it.
And trust me it's every bit of the horsepower, tested it well last nite!!
calicagesracing
26-01-11, 21:24
300 is not great with an ecu and a bar of boost,, the boss (Robbie TDP) got 288fbhp 250whp and 290ft/lb out of my near standard 32 yesterday at .9 bar,, the car has a boost controller, fuel controller, exhaust, filter and front mount and that's it!!! Standard other than that,,, a fpr and adj actuator would do same job as the controllers and cheaper it's just they were in the car when I bought it.
And trust me it's every bit of the horsepower, tested it well last nite!!
What would it be on a dyno dynamics roller though???
:p:p:D
What would it be on a dyno dynamics roller though???
:p:p:D
hell of alot less:p:D
What would it be on a dyno dynamics roller though???
:p:p:D
Ha ha but sure nelly I'm going off a real dyno, not into all that tyre slip and ratchet strapping down causing wrong whp figures and drums of water in the boot causing more friction,,,!! To much bother for me to get a wrong reading and it's not great when they say themselves that it reads low I.e wrong,,,,,,, ha ha ya know me now;-)
hell of alot less:p:D
Ya think so?? Well I know what a 300hp car feels like have driven enough of them!! Why would I bother with a rolling road that admits to reading your cars power low which means wrong!! I don't see the logic,,,,
calicagesracing
26-01-11, 21:47
Ha ha but sure nelly I'm going off a real dyno, not into all that tyre slip and ratchet strapping down causing wrong whp figures and drums of water in the boot causing more friction,,,!! To much bother for me to get a wrong reading and it's not great when they say themselves that it reads low I.e wrong,,,,,,, ha ha ya know me now;-)
Lol, I love this old chestnut. How hot was the oil in the dynos?:D
Ya think so?? Well I know what a 300hp car feels like have driven enough of them!! Why would I bother with a rolling road that admits to reading your cars power low which means wrong!! I don't see the logic,,,,
Just one quick ques to clarify tdp's dyno.How can a sr on a standard t25 make 317bhp?:rolleyes:
Lol, I love this old chestnut. How hot was the oil in the dynos?:D
I think about 73.82degrees,,, and do explain why this makes a difference???
Just one quick ques to clarify tdp's dyno.How can a sr on a standard t25 make 317bhp?:rolleyes:
That's not much info is it??
calicagesracing
26-01-11, 21:56
I think about 73.82degrees,,, and do explain why this makes a difference???
Hotter the oil the easier it is to turn the dyno = higher figure.....or so I'm told:eek:
Hotter the oil the easier it is to turn the dyno = higher figure.....or so I'm told:eek:
To be honest that is not the case nelly, I'm not an expert on how it works inside nor I don't claim to be,, but I have seen a warm car put on the dyno first thing in the morning and run at a constant equal load for 10-15 mins doing a run in maybe or something and the horsepower will genuinely stay exactly the same, I'm only stirrin for bit a crack but il give ya a spin in the skyline and ya can decide yourself, I know it's fast,,
That's not much info is it??
seriously,no matter what else was done to the engine do you think an t25 could push 317bhp,and to make it better at .9 bar boost.I could tell ya how robbie attempted to get the figures up but i dont think it would do TDP's business any good....
Just one quick ques to clarify tdp's dyno.How can a sr on a standard t25 make 317bhp?:rolleyes:
probably something to do wit the way they turned up the fuel pressure there horse:p
calicagesracing
26-01-11, 22:16
I'm only stirrin for bit a crack but il give ya a spin in the skyline and ya can decide yourself, I know it's fast,,
Same as that man;) I smell a drag race at Dawn to sort it out lol
seriously,no matter what else was done to the engine do you think an t25 could push 317bhp,and to make it better at .9 bar boost.I could tell ya how robbie attempted to get the figures up but i dont think it would do TDP's business any good....
Listen ted I was only startin a bit a banter, the usuall dyno vs dyno shit, but I do not map cars and I know everyone has their own views I not here to change your mind and I don't know about that figure because I don't map!! But I do know what hp my skyline is and anyone can drive it to see,,
Ya get that misfire sorted yet podge:D ha ha I'm out,,,,,,,
Same as that man;) I smell a drag race at Dawn to sort it out lol
Yea that's the way ta do it,,:D what car is yours anyway? Is it a road car?
calicagesracing
26-01-11, 22:23
Yea that's the way ta do it,,:D what car is yours anyway? Is it a road car?
Kinda, it's the rb'd 180 I used in t/a
Listen ted I was only startin a bit a banter, the usuall dyno vs dyno shit, but I do not map cars and I know everyone has their own views I not here to change your mind and I don't know about that figure because I don't map!! But I do know what hp my skyline is and anyone can drive it to see,,
Ya get that misfire sorted yet podge:D ha ha I'm out,,,,,,,
no bothers lad its all pub talk anway.figures don't matter as long as the car does what ya want it to do and does it reliably
Listen ted I was only startin a bit a banter, the usuall dyno vs dyno shit, but I do not map cars and I know everyone has their own views I not here to change your mind and I don't know about that figure because I don't map!! But I do know what hp my skyline is and anyone can drive it to see,,
Ya get that misfire sorted yet podge:D ha ha I'm out,,,,,,,
yup split boost hose on the external wastegate
no bothers lad its all pub talk anway.figures don't matter as long as the car does what ya want it to do and does it reliably
Exactly,,, no point in arguments,,:rolleyes:
calicagesracing
26-01-11, 22:26
no bothers lad its all pub talk anway.figures don't matter as long as the car does what ya want it to do and does it reliably
Fo' shnizzle!
Kinda, it's the rb'd 180 I used in t/a
Ah cool,, I demand you have a passenger, I have a fat car and I'm a fat driver so I'm fucked straight away:D
calicagesracing
26-01-11, 22:34
Ah cool,, I demand you have a passenger, I have a fat car and I'm a fat driver so I'm fucked straight away:D
:D:DPmsl skyline has the right engine in the wrong car I always say:p
Ah cool,, I demand you have a passenger, I have a fat car and I'm a fat driver so I'm fucked straight away:D
Haha brilliant :D
I say we form a new PD team Brendan... Team baby fat :D
Haha brilliant :D
I say we form a new PD team Brendan... Team baby fat :D
Ha yea right I'd be on team lots a fat more so!!! :p
Ah the aul 32 is a deadly ol bus nelly iv a soft spot for em,,,
S14a johno
26-01-11, 22:51
race at dawn where do i sign need show ya lads how it done :D:D:D:D :p
r32 are lovely do kev one lovely,
is there much work putn a rb in to a silvia shell :confused:
i know there a heavier engine, but is the extra weight worth the hassle?
ian g sr20
26-01-11, 22:56
it was getting intresting thier for a bit :D.. all the dynos in this country will gve out differnt digures if u ask me
calicagesracing
26-01-11, 22:57
race at dawn where do i sign need show ya lads how it done :D:D:D:D :p
r32 are lovely do kev one lovely,
is there much work putn a rb in to a silvia shell :confused:
i know there a heavier engine, but is the extra weight worth the hassle?
Bolt together stuff is a piece of piss, just the wiring is difficult.
Contrary to popular belief they do handle well but the only good reason to put an rb20 into a silvia over an sr or rb25 is they are a lot cheaper, that and the creamy 6 cyl noise:cool:
robbie@tdp.ie
26-01-11, 23:55
Hotter the oil the easier it is to turn the dyno = higher figure.....or so I'm told:eek:
Your told very wrong ? Very wrong indeed. If that were the case then it actually would be other way around the hotter the oil the less load the less torqued measured.
The oil is thermostatically controlled and fully compensated for in the calibration. Also since the oil viscosity change linearly with temptarure it can be accurately compensated for. Thats something that a roller dyno can never do for tyres with diffent compound of rubber and steel banding inside it.
Robbie
Thats sorted that out then...good man Rob...........
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