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Dan Byrne
25-10-10, 22:43
Im sure this has been discused before but i was just watching a bit of D1GP and i noticed that foam blocks save so many cars and they are not even that big.
I think this would be an idea to look into for Prodrift 2011 season as the truck is brought to all the events i would imagine there could be room to transport them.

There were so many cars destroyed/crashed/damaged this season (including myown S15) and most of them all in the one spot so there are only a need for a small amount of these foam blocks.

Its not only the amature and non seed drivers that make mistakes. Just an example off the top of my head eric clipping the wall in FD 2 weeks ago, this shows even the cream of the crop, the best of the best make mistakes.
And here is the video where all this is coming from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgXPK-WCXfg

I know Prodrift are aiming to run events like FD but why not try run it like D1??

Drifting for me is fun, but when a clipping box is put on top of a steel barrier with no room for error it kinda takes the fun out of it.

The crowds love crashes.

The drivers don't!!!!

To summerise my rant its not fair on the drivers who put in long hours and a lot of hard earned money if one simple mistake on the first corner can end your season.

Where a few foam blocks could see them to go on to finish the season with only minor cosmetic damage!!!!!

Opinions PLease?????

driftescort
25-10-10, 22:55
I agree, I think they would be a welcome addition.

Also if I had to choose if I wanted my drift series to go in the direction of FD or D1, D1 would win hands down.

johnbro
25-10-10, 23:15
Would be a great idea alright Dan
There must be a reason why they don't use them probably the expense:mad:
I'd imagine the adds on em' would pay for them over and over again:D
Would be well cool for Prodrift (safer too)

Could do the wall game like in D1:D:D

Eddie
26-10-10, 00:12
yeah this has been talked about before, i think the main thing was;


that in jap land its ok to have them out and leave them there

but in ireland if it rains on them and they get wet the water is just soaked up and after a few days the smell off them would unbareable, like just imagine if the had to bring them back to cork.

not sayin its a bad idea, i think it would be great.

peterhouze
26-10-10, 00:29
yeah this has been talked about before, i think the main thing was;


that in jap land its ok to have them out and leave them there

but in ireland if it rains on them and they get wet the water is just soaked up and after a few days the smell off them would unbareable, like just imagine if the had to bring them back to cork.

not sayin its a bad idea, i think it would be great.

could they not get a cover for them it cant be that hard

Aidan Hogan
26-10-10, 01:23
This was discussed before and I think it ended up with the spectators view being blocked and the smell !!

wezwkd
26-10-10, 05:44
I agree Dan in what you are saying & personally understand but ultimately I have to say I am on the other side of the fence.

Ok with ref: to Amateurs & pretty much non seed pro who are basically lumped in together. Wall tagging is a total non runner in my mind. Its unfair & Ive seen many a driver end up in the wall or tyre barrier ( me included ) when they were far from prepared to even consider wall rubbing.

Ok we all wish we could start off with that skill but the majority of us just don't guys. Lets be honest.

There is a Seeded Pro Class who Certainly do understand the limits & also what is expected of them. These guys are there for a reason. Not because last year they decided to install a hydraulic handbrake in a car but because they have been there for a long time & showed their talent over the years.

It takes quite some time to get to the standards we all see at each PD event. Ive personally seen events all over many championships etc. Hand on heart. We are spoiled for talent in this country. So much so many have left our shores.

Fact is we have a major lack of tracks & places to go to hold real events.

The 2 important keys to a successfull championship of "ANY" series.

No.1. Seriously talented drivers
No.2. Fans to match.

We all need each other guys.

:)


So point taken Dan, us amateurs do need a small bit of spoonfeeding. Apologies but hell lets call it that until we gain enough skill to skid about ANY track without hitting the wall.

Its great to have the interest to even have an argument about it all.

Dan Byrne
26-10-10, 07:26
I see your point wez but my original point is that even the best of the best make mistakes.

As i said already im looking to see the pros and cons of doing this.

But as you said we also have the issues of propper tracks and so on, so its really a case i suppose of making the best of what we have.

Prodrifter86
26-10-10, 10:37
yeah this has been talked about before, i think the main thing was;


that in jap land its ok to have them out and leave them there

but in ireland if it rains on them and they get wet the water is just soaked up and after a few days the smell off them would unbareable, like just imagine if the had to bring them back to cork.

not sayin its a bad idea, i think it would be great.

it rains in Japan too you no............... but i get what your sayin about hauling them all back to in the lorry dranched....... but id say a couple of sheets of white plastic and happy days

i think for specatators a bit of damage is a good watch, BUT, even myself starting out drifting. i surely dont want to smack off a wall at high speed...
but i think the foamy D1 walls are actually cool to watch. if some1 does hit them...

wezwkd
26-10-10, 10:59
I see your point wez but my original point is that even the best of the best make mistakes.

As i said already im looking to see the pros and cons of doing this.

But as you said we also have the issues of propper tracks and so on, so its really a case i suppose of making the best of what we have.


well as Ive said I really think amateur drivers should have an easier track for their own benefit. Its tough enough to run a drift car without wrecking it into a wall. My 2 cents anyway.

bart
26-10-10, 11:07
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bart
26-10-10, 11:08
yea im with wez on this..
but as we all know there is a serious amount of lack of tracks in this country...
mondello don't even like drifting there..
and that's Ireland only track..
all the other tracks are car parks etc...
we all (amateur drivers) would like to be up there with the top....
its just a cunt when ya hit the wall...
i know the guys at the top can make mistakes as well...
but the foam things for amateur drivers would be ideal.....
then wall rubbing for the pros....
they get alot more track time than any the amateur and non seed pro..
i know its hard for prodrift to do this..
and in my opinion they are after doing a great job this year....
but they can only work on what they have

Cefiro Panch
26-10-10, 11:11
Wasnt there already a thread on this, and in the end it came back to the fact that with out the danger of clipping the wall it took the excitement out of the sport for the spectators!

And with out spectators any sport will die!!

Jay Rockett
26-10-10, 11:42
Wasnt there already a thread on this, and in the end it came back to the fact that with out the danger of clipping the wall it took the excitement out of the sport for the spectators!

And with out spectators any sport will die!!


There isnt that much of a crowd for the Amateurs and Non-Seeded though really is there??

And most of the Prodrift banners and other sponsor banners dont go up untill Sunday when the Pro's are out, and thats when you get the spectators!

So it mightnt be such a bad idea to have the foam blocks out for the Saturday (and as said previously these blocks could be sponsored and so they'd pay for themselves) and then for the Sunday take away the blocks for the Pro's..?

I too damaged my car this year but i wouldnt let it stop me going back out, if i was afraid of the wall/barrier, i'd stay away and sacrifice my scoring rather than my car.. But thats me and fortunately i was lucky enough to be able fix the car, not always everyones case!

nixon001
26-10-10, 11:48
You ever looked into the back of the truck before it gets unloaded????

PeterT
26-10-10, 12:06
You ever looked into the back of the truck before it gets unloaded????

I was just thinking that, i imagine its full to the brim!

DeaneMsport_180sx
26-10-10, 13:37
I was just thinking that, i imagine its full to the brim!

ya you actually cant fit another thing into the back of the prodrift truck so if they had to bring big foam barriers too then they would have to get another truck

there are a lot more costs than just buying them

and where would they store them between events??

i dont like the idea of foam blocks the wall is exciting:D
i know its a balls when you hit the wall but if you are afraid of damaging your car leave it at home haha

insejn
26-10-10, 14:01
yeah this has been talked about before, i think the main thing was;


that in jap land its ok to have them out and leave them there

but in ireland if it rains on them and they get wet the water is just soaked up and after a few days the smell off them would unbareable, like just imagine if the had to bring them back to cork.

not sayin its a bad idea, i think it would be great.

its rains just as much if not more in japan

s13-ste
26-10-10, 14:31
its rains just as much if not more in japan

but they are left at the track all the time in japan, we have NO tracks here where the foam could be used

paddymcgrath
26-10-10, 15:19
Although I can sympathise with the drivers on this, I'd be of the opinion that if your not comfortable running a track with no run off, reinforced with something solid then don't run.

Nobody is putting a gun to your head to compete and those that have wrote cars off surely knew the risks involved.

It's not tiddlywinks, it's motorsport and when shit goes wrong, it usually happens quite spectacularly.

To quote a certain driver 'Grow some balls and rub the wall.'

Larryk
26-10-10, 15:37
Ah i don't agree that its not cost effective for PD to use them, You wouldn't need 20 of them, 4 or 5 of them would do the job, and not all tracks need them either.

For the non-pro's and guys on a budget, its not about growing a pair of balls - its about not being able to drift for the rest of the year if you hit the wall too hard because you've no money left. Balls are all well and good when you have sponsors to fix the car when you break it.

I don't think PD are thinking of the amateurs and beginners. Back in the day the beginners used only be allowed to compete on the inside track in Rosegreen, and the Pro's on the outside track due to the chances of an amateur putting it in the wall being a lot more likely than the Pro. What has changed?? There are guys like Stonie and Bart running affordable drifting days and giving amatuers a chance to get some track time. When lads get comfortable drifting they take the plunge and go PD. The question has to be asked here;

What are PD doing for the grass roots of the sport? The young up and coming talent? Nothing - they just inherit them when they've learnt the basics with Bart and Stonie and other guys with yards around the country.

Stevo
26-10-10, 15:46
Although I can sympathise with the drivers on this, I'd be of the opinion that if your not comfortable running a track with no run off, reinforced with something solid then don't run.

Nobody is putting a gun to your head to compete and those that have wrote cars off surely knew the risks involved.

It's not tiddlywinks, it's motorsport and when shit goes wrong, it usually happens quite spectacularly.

To quote a certain driver 'Grow some balls and rub the wall.'


I get both sides of it, but take yourself from behind the camera and into a drift car you've poured money countless hours help from everyone around you and stack it first event of the year then say grow some balls :rolleyes:

jeff nelson sileighty
26-10-10, 16:02
ya i agree its a great idea for the amateurs and non seeded i had a thread about this before but it seemed people wanted to see the crashes... but we are only talking 4 or 5 blocks around the track so it wont take up alot of space and sure black plastic bags over them would keep them dry
dont get me wrong the walls are exciting but its just until we get our skill levels up enough to be rubbing the walls

Aidan Hogan
26-10-10, 17:27
I've only been a spectator at PD but in my opinion foam barriers or similar ARE needed , even just for amateur and non seeded.
Fair enough saying they're not being put up cause of the spectators and the smell but at the end of the day , where would prodrift be without the drivers ?? The drivers pay to enter prodrift in the 1st place so why not give them this at least ??
I could keep going but I'll leave it at that.

s13-ste
26-10-10, 17:41
these foam blocks are just as bad(if not worse) as the concrete walls are.

look from 2.50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBWw6te044E

like a tyre wall they pull the car into them and cause it to do more than straighten out, rolls, jumps and uncontroled spins will happen alot more often

tbk
26-10-10, 17:50
I think this sign sums it up

http://www.speyside-stages.co.uk/Images/warning.jpg





If you dont want to run the risk of smashing your car up then don't compete! Stick to private days etc.

But even then its still fairly risky... I have even seen grip cars hit the pit wall in mondello. Just part of it that theres a chance it may happen

carpo
26-10-10, 18:01
these foam blocks are just as bad(if not worse) as the concrete walls are.

look from 2.50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBWw6te044E

like a tyre wall they pull the car into them and cause it to do more than straighten out, rolls, jumps and uncontroled spins will happen alot more often



ha ha plenty of old clips of denis healy's old bride ae86 getting smacked..:D

Prodrifter86
26-10-10, 18:09
the thing about it though is. even i wouldnt like to hit my car. and the foam is a good idea at first.. but then i thought again and i asked why did i take to drifting>>? because it was the wall in rosegreen as a spectator......and also a reason to get a car to do it.. to try tag someting.. without killing myself:p . if your going to be in top flight motorsport maybe you have to be commited doesnt matter what class your in. i think the wall should say for safety reasons.. but theres going to be lots of different opinions in this thread and i dont think there will any outcome. i think PD will just keep the wall. but i hope they comment there opinions too...

paddymcgrath
26-10-10, 18:22
I get both sides of it, but take yourself from behind the camera and into a drift car you've poured money countless hours help from everyone around you and stack it first event of the year then say grow some balls :rolleyes:

Nobody is forcing you to spend loads of money or to compete against your will. I've helped out enough lads over the years to know how much blood, sweat and tears goes into building a car and yeah, it sucks when things goes wrong but if there was no danger involved in motorsport, nobody would have any interest in it. Everyone from spectators to drivers is there for the andrenaline rush.

I'm not begrudging the 'little guy' but it's the cold reality of it.

Really you don't need bales, just run inside clipping points and you remove most of the risk of hitting a wall.

Aidan Hogan
26-10-10, 18:55
the thing about it though is. even i wouldnt like to hit my car. and the foam is a good idea at first.. but then i thought again and i asked why did i take to drifting>>? because it was the wall in rosegreen as a spectator......and also a reason to get a car to do it.. to try tag someting.. without killing myself:p . if your going to be in top flight motorsport maybe you have to be commited doesnt matter what class your in. i think the wall should say for safety reasons.. but theres going to be lots of different opinions in this thread and i dont think there will any outcome. i think PD will just keep the wall. but i hope they comment there opinions too...

Think everyone means keep the wall just put the foam barriers on the track side of the barrier

Dennis Healy
26-10-10, 18:57
ha ha plenty of old clips of denis healy's old bride ae86 getting smacked..:D

ha ha that got some hammering over the years

Robbie Daly Ps13
26-10-10, 19:00
Lad im in the middle of building a car....! Im after spending the past 2 months busting my bollocks late night and weekends doing a serious amount of fab work to the shell....! Now im only an amatuer....! I ask myself every night is my ability gonna let me down next year and the answer is yes it probally will....!

As much effort as i have put into this car i know for a fact i won't think twice about firing the car towards a wall and whatever speed.....! Its the way it is lad and to be honest i love every minute of it....! It makes drifting the exciting sport that it is today.....!

Its like rally drivers asking to get the trees chopped down on the stage so the won't crash into them....! Its the way it is and its not gonna change and it shouldn't either....! As said here before if your afraid to damage your car leave it in the car park.....!

Mick K
26-10-10, 19:17
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr159/leathermule/Amimated/goodpost.gif

DeaneMsport_180sx
26-10-10, 19:35
Lad im in the middle of building a car....! Im after spending the past 2 months busting my bollocks late night and weekends doing a serious amount of fab work to the shell....! Now im only an amatuer....! I ask myself every night is my ability gonna let me down next year and the answer is yes it probally will....!

As much effort as i have put into this car i know for a fact i won't think twice about firing the car towards a wall and whatever speed.....! Its the way it is lad and to be honest i love every minute of it....! It makes drifting the exciting sport that it is today.....!

Its like rally drivers asking to get the trees chopped down on the stage so the won't crash into them....! Its the way it is and its not gonna change and it shouldn't either....! As said here before if your afraid to damage your car leave it in the car park.....!

now that just sums it up!!:D
i agree completly with that post!!

there is nothing that gives as much of a rush as fealing the back of the car tap the wall!!its epic and thats what i aim to do every run(even though i dont 99% of the time:phaha)
if you put foam there everyone will be hitting them and this will make it shit and then the boys wont be seperated from the men...
it takes balls to rub a wall and if you dont want to take that risk either leave the car at home or stay away from the walls!!

fair enough it goes wrong every once in a while but shit happens!!!
i gave my yoke a serious slap in fermoy but it happens so i just got over!!
its not gonna stop me clipping walls again next year:D

carpo
26-10-10, 19:42
Lad im in the middle of building a car....! Im after spending the past 2 months busting my bollocks late night and weekends doing a serious amount of fab work to the shell....! Now im only an amatuer....! I ask myself every night is my ability gonna let me down next year and the answer is yes it probally will....!

As much effort as i have put into this car i know for a fact i won't think twice about firing the car towards a wall and whatever speed.....! Its the way it is lad and to be honest i love every minute of it....! It makes drifting the exciting sport that it is today.....!

Its like rally drivers asking to get the trees chopped down on the stage so the won't crash into them....! Its the way it is and its not gonna change and it shouldn't either....! As said here before if your afraid to damage your car leave it in the car park.....!



well said robbie..walls ftw......:D if people dont want to hit walls just keep away from them and use the inside line...and when your confident go for the wall clips simple..!! the foam barries would wreak a car the same way a wall does..i seen cars destroyed in japan when they hit them hard..

carpo
26-10-10, 19:44
ha ha that got some hammering over the years

big time..was a cool car tho...

Mick K
26-10-10, 19:46
well said robbie..walls ftw......:D if people dont want to hit walls just keep away from them and use the inside line...and when your confident go for the wall clips simple..!! the foam barries would wreak a car the same way a wall does..i seen cars destroyed in japan when they hit them hard..

Your wall tap was best thing to ever happen ye! Epic driving in Cork!

Robbie Daly Ps13
26-10-10, 19:47
Your wall tap was best thing to ever happen ye! Epic driving in Cork!

x2.....! I said that the min it happened....! Drive like that next year and you'l be bringing home silverware....!

carpo
26-10-10, 19:50
Ha ha was fun anyways...hopefully lad time to notch it up a gear and get down with some buisness...:)

Dan Byrne
26-10-10, 21:58
This is pretty much the response I had expected.

I was just wondering what other peoples views were on the subject.

So to sum up this thread " Foam is for seats and sofas! "

And the 2011 must have sticker is Going to be "Run the wall"

Boom!!!!!!

gem-s13
26-10-10, 22:06
This is pretty much the response I had expected.

I was just wondering what other peoples views were on the subject.

So to sum up this thread " Foam is for seats and sofas! "

And the 2011 must have sticker is Going to be "Run the wall"

Boom!!!!!!

yes as i said to you earlyer!!!!


id say the saying will be "get some balls and a spare bumper!!!!!"

roco
26-10-10, 22:31
i think there should be more wall's. one of my best memory's of drifting is scrubbing the rose green wall, such a rush, and even when i messed up and binned it into it, it was still a rush. yeah i had to fix my car but it was a cheep adrenaline rush if you ask me. ive raced Mountain bikes for years and to get that rush you need to go big, but when shit goes wrong your in A&E. no roll cage on a bike... like the guys said, you know the risks going into it, you either bite the bullet or back out, simple.

i do think there should be more learner based tracks and events tho, with proper track time, not 3-4 laps. good seat time makes a good driver.

James Deane RX7
26-10-10, 23:37
If you ask me ''Run The Foam'' Sounds GAY!!!!!!!!

:D

Chuck_g
26-10-10, 23:57
I think Pd should build brick walls and employ out of work brickys and make everyone happy.........

PS I like walls

jeff nelson sileighty
27-10-10, 00:50
If you ask me ''Run The Foam'' Sounds GAY!!!!!!!!

:D

hahaha very well said lad
no i dont want foam bales.. after fermoy ive learned that i actually love those walls they really do make things so much more exciting :D
i just understand the heart break after stepping out from your car after a crash and thinking that this could end your season

Larryk
27-10-10, 10:30
If you ask me ''Run The Foam'' Sounds GAY!!!!!!!!

:D

I know this goes against my previous post, but that does sound a bit Gay alright :D:D

I suppose i may just start buying up rear bumpers and 1/4 panels and get practicing :cool:

pole drift
27-10-10, 11:47
make lepu and bernie proud and make your own quarter pannels with sheet metal, everyone should learn to weld

lukeworx
27-10-10, 12:55
think the foam should be used for practice, beginners etc.
your going to have some offs when your learing its a fact so save the cars for the events

if you covered them in pvc banner & truck curtain material theyd be weather proof.

if i was (trying) to drift my betsie think the foam would give more confidence to go balls out into the corner known that when i mess up itd be all good
& save some expensive on the repairs

but for events no foam you need some carnage makes for good entertainment

just my input

jamie180sx
27-10-10, 14:18
at the end of the day,amature,non seed,pro, whatever class your in doesnt mean a thing,for instance there is drivers in the amature/non seed well capable of running just like the pros,and in some cases this year,better than them,as an example Jay rockett is amature champion,well able to ''run the wall'' just a good as some of the very best in the pro class and he was classed as an amature,

if you dont wanna rub the wall dont,run a safer line,and to be fair you can run a line that isnt far from the wall but isnt on the wall either and progress at your own level,thats the different in being top qualifier and putting in a decent qualification lap,and at the end of the day the pros didnt just wake up and go out and do it,it takes practise,,,


PD keep the walls,dont bother with foam or bales or whatever,remember lads its also goning to end up giveing us less driving time if so,between moving them and putting them back

nigey00
27-10-10, 16:55
Prodrift is one of the best championships in Europe and has the best standard overall of any championship that I have witnessed, simply because they keep pushing the boundaries and making there tracks super technical which includes running walls etc. The tracks have to be like this in my opinion for the judges to differentiate between all the drivers and I fully support them for doing what they do in limited space!

If your not comfortable running the wall stay away from prodrift and practice more until your comfortable with the car and become a better driver!! ;)

pole drift
27-10-10, 17:27
sure wouldnt learning to drift with a wall instead of a sandpit at the edge of the track make the irish better drifters?? It would kinda mean ya do it right or your fucked!!

Robbie Daly Ps13
27-10-10, 17:41
sure wouldnt learning to drift with a wall instead of a sandpit at the edge of the track make the irish better drifters?? It would kinda mean ya do it right or your fucked!!

Yea lad but what if you don't know how to do it right.....! Think about it....!

pole drift
27-10-10, 17:46
Yea lad but what if you don't know how to do it right.....! Think about it....!

true also but if ya dont want to run the wall dont

gem-s13
27-10-10, 18:18
@ dan did you watch that vid u posted up?????? the clipping point there are running is on a big concrete WALL!! the foam blocks are in the run off area at the bottom of a hill

PS13!
28-10-10, 18:51
i think the foam wall is great for learners , but alot of lads love the excitment of runing the wall

simonosullivan
02-11-10, 00:06
:confused: foam blocks??? do fellas need um?

PeterT
02-11-10, 14:25
:confused: foam blocks??? do fellas need um?

Hi there and welcome along...can you read?

jap scrap
02-11-10, 23:38
Hi there and welcome along...can you read?


bahaha good one

G. Sweeney
04-11-10, 01:40
Keep d walls !!

More exciting :)

onevia
04-11-10, 03:08
i am only starting out and i am no where near being able to rub a wall but pro drift needs it makes it more exciting for drivers and watching and gets to show case the drivers true skills anyone can drift in a empty car park like but need skill to run a wall with no room for error

pro drift dont give enough seat time for people starting and trying to learn so if they were to try and change anything i would start there

its simple if you want to run the wall do it. if you dont think your ready dont at the end of the day its the drivers choice

foam would be gay and can still do serious damage to a car

G. Sweeney
04-11-10, 18:13
:D........................

Prodrifter86
04-11-10, 18:23
Lads i think this Thread has already come to a conclusion about 2 weeks ago:rolleyes: lol

phil-ray
21-02-11, 00:43
i like the idea of foam blocks on Ama days and Saturdays in PD but in reality its not do-able, if we had tracks that they could keep them at then yes its an option but as been said before the truck is full and foam blocks are very big as we have seen in the videos, you would nearly need a big van to bring 4 or so of them in let alone 10/20.

Im wondering would inside clipping points be an option or even if pd could get polls/bollards like these as an option to outside clipping points?

http://www.safety-selector.co.uk/images/GP10%20-%20Glow%20Post%20Bollards.jpg

they could be places a few feet away from the wall on a saturday so the amas can still aim the ass end of a car at something but not a big hard wall.

just a thought